Men On Strike Book Review Part 2 of 3

Part 1

In this part I will discuss chapter 5 and chapter 6 and part 3 will be a continuation of chapter 6.

Chapter 5: Why it matters

What I liked: Overall the chapter was very engaging meaning not boring at all to read. Dr. Helen Smith nicely stated that the surprise isn’t that men are heading for the exits but it took men this long to head for the exits.

I especially enjoyed reading the comment by Vic which Dr. Helen Smith put in this chapter

“Men are doing the math. When you see your friends vilified in family court by their “Christian” wives, you have to take a step back and ask yourself a question. If that admired pastor with 30 years of ministry, community service and business is going to lose his kids, income and ministry because his wife isn’t happy anymore, what chance do I have?”

This is very well stated.

This chapter also discusses why men opting out as a negative effect on women, children and society as a whole.

I only rated this chapter as 7 out of 10, in a sense I have gone beyond the point of caring of what happens to society as a whole.

When I have read books such as From Courtship to Courtroom, Taken into Custody, have been exposed to many Divorce Stories through the internet. I can’t help but think that any society, which allows women to make false domestic abuse claims against decent husbands in order to gain an upper hand in divorce settlements, a decent husband can have his kids ripped away from him at any given moment, wives can commit adultery and are not accountable for their actions, decent men having to pay child support (some cases on inputted income), alimony, have ex-wives brainwash the kids to hate their dads through no fault of their own, I come to the point where I believe these types of societies deserve to collapse.

To conclude this chapter, I’m not knocking Dr. Helen Smith for anything specially she wrote in this chapter but the lower rating has to do with me being at the point of beyond caring what happens to women and society as a whole due to their horrible treatment of decent men.

Chapter 6 Fighting Back, Going Galt, or Both

In this chapter Dr. Helen discussed Tips to change the system, Men Going Galt, and her suggestions on how to deal with White Knights and Uncle Tim’s (Mangina).

For a general reader, would probably give this chapter a higher rating than me. I only gave it a 6 because all though Dr. Helen Smith gave tips and while I believe she means well, I’m very skeptical about massive reforms happening in our corrupt system. I’m of the belief that the system is beyond repair so, unfortunately I tuned out a good part of this chapter, also I tuned out White Knights and Manginas as a result I only ended up skimming through when she talked about White Knights and Manginas. This was my least favorite chapter of the 6 chapters. Someone who is just getting exposed to what is going on may find this chapter to be more valuable.

Now below I listed Dr. Helen’s 6 tips but you will need to buy her book if you want to read how she describes these tips in further detail. Directly, indirectly, or not at all I will address some of these tips one would be the two options a typical guy haves and when I do part 3 why I think Men Rights in general are a complete failure.

Here are Dr. Helen Smith’s 6 tips

Tip 1 Stop Letting women run the agenda by controlling the agenda by controlling the dialogue on sex, gender, relationships and reproduction

Tip 2 Fight for better treatment of men in marriage and relationships

Tip 3 Fight for better laws, including those on paternity and forced fatherhood

Tip 4 Fight back in education

Tip 5 Fight back against negative portrayals of men in the media and culture

Tip 6 Reclaim male space.

Back in Chapter 1 Dr. Helen Smith address the issue of Hypergamy, and revealed a survey which confirmed 20% of the guys were having sex with 75% of women (assuming it’s their prime years).

For this exercise, let’s remove those 20% of the guys, now we are down to 80%. Also for this exercise let’s assume another 25% of the guys got married young to the other 25% of the younger women who weren’t having sex with the top 20% of the guys. Basically society has provided the other 55% of the guys (being conservative here, good chance it’s much higher) two options in life.

The first option is what society has to offer these 55% of the guys’ once they are in their late 20’s and 30’s.

The terms are bail out an ex carousel cock rider who only has at best 10% of her sexual currency value left while the other 20% of the guys got to enjoy the other 90% of her sexual currency value at bargain rates. In terms of marriage, she can get fat eating bon bons all day on the couch watching TV, can nag you to no end, can freely tell you how fail to measure up compared to the other guys she got to have fun with in the past, cut off the sex supply, have little or no money and free time for hobbies. Are you then going to divorce her, well she gets half the assets, alimony, half the 401K, if children are involved get to pay child support (possibly on inputed income), if children are involved lose the home while still getting make the mortgage payments while at the same time trying to pay rent for a small apartment.

If you decide to be a good husband, she may very cheat on you because you are too nice and boring. Once she gets bored of you, she can make a false abuse allegation claim to get you kicked out of your house, you get pay yours and her attorney fees, lose your home but still get to make the mortgage payments, while paying monthly rent for a new place, lose half of your 401K, alimony, child support, and this ex wife may very well brain wash the kids against you.

Guess what you don’t like these terms, society will blast you by running tons of “Man Up Articles”

The other option for these 55% of the guys who many will come to the conclusion and say fuck it and bail out. Therefore remove themselves from the dating and marriage market all together. By doing so means these guys will only have to financially support themselves and no one else. Now these guys will have more free time and money on their hands to engage in hobbies they enjoy doing. Of course this means less stress, no nagging wife no fear of divorce etc.

As women get older their attractiveness goes down, as men get older, their sexual hormone levels decrease as well. These guys’ sex drives become more manageable when they get into their 30’s as opposed to when they were 20. Should the sex drive still be there, rampant internet porn is free, virtual sex technology should get better as the years goes on. What if these guys want to enjoy a sexual experience, there are plenty college age escort babes these guys could sample for $200-300 an hour which is a bargain compared to what married and divorced men have to pay for a rapidly aging wife/ex wife. As these guys get more income, they will be perfectly capable of taking themselves on overseas sex vacations should they decide to do so.

While I believe Dr. Helen Smith means well with her tips, I just fail see how some changes, even modest changes as nearly impossible that would be, is going to change these dynamics which I mentioned above anytime soon!

Men on Strike Book Review Part 1 of 3

Overall, I believe Men on Strike written by Dr. Helen Smith is a very well written book. Now I will not be posting this review on Amazon because I have to protect my identity but if anyone wants to, they can post a link to this review in one of the comments in the Amazon reviews. This will be broken into three different parts and once all three parts have been completed it will get posted on the MGTOW Forums as well so MGTOW members can freely comment on it, lurkers will be able to read it as well should they wish to do so.

Now my overall rating on this book is an 8.5 out 10, although if I did post it on Amazon I would give it the full 5 stars in order to encourage potential buyers to buy the book. The bottom line is the more books Dr. Helen Smith is able to sell it means more time in the national spotlight for Dr. Helen Smith to be able to discuss her book. By doing that it means more young men would get exposed which means even less guys wanting to get married in the future. I see this as a positive thing!

Not including the Intro and conclusion which I won’t be covering, there were six total chapters in this part I will go over chapters 1-4, part 2 will be about chapter 5/6, and part 3 will be about chapter 6

My ratings per chapter would be

Chapter 1 Marriage Strike 10 out of 10

Chapter 2 My Body My Choice, Your Body, No Choice 10 out of 10

Chapter 3 The College Strike 8 out of 10

Chapter 4 Why Does Dad Stay in the Basement 10 out of 10

Chapter 5 Why it Matters 7 out of 10

Chapter 6 Fighting Back, Going Galt or both 6 out of 10

As you see 3 of the first four chapters are perfect 10’s so it will be just a brief overview because she knocked these out of the park. The other one got an 8 NOT because of what she wrote but because an important component of the College Strike got missed which I will be addressing.

Chapter 1 The Marriage Strike

Here is what I like about the chapter; in the first couple of pages she discussed the plummeting marriage statistics which is always music to my ears. She also interviewed a few men in person as well as guys via internet and she wrote what these guys had to say why marriage is such a raw deal. In the marriage strike chapter she even addressed the subject matter hypergamy as well as five different types of guys. However I just think of two different types of guys the alpha, fun irresponsible guys the attractive ladies will have sex with during their hot 18-25 years. The beta responsible guys with decent futures which ladies will save for “marriage” after they had their “fun” down to their final 10% of their physical attractiveness once they get in their late 20’s-30’s. Finally another plus is Dr. Helen Smith did a survey to see if there was any truth about 80% of the women having sex with just 20% of the guys. Her survey in fact revealed, 20% of the guys got to have sex with 75% of the ladies. I am very pleased that Dr. Helen Smith validated the 80/20 rule or the 75/20 rule.

I will conclude with this two sentence passage “The discrepancy between the life of the freer single man and the life of the less respected, less free life of married man is at heart why so many men have gone on strike This discrepancy between the perks of single life and the punishment of married life for men has become wider in modern times.”

Dr. Helen Smith knocked this chapter out of the park! Onto Chapter 2

Chapter 2 My Body, My Choice- Your Body, No Choice

Here is what I like: Dr Helen Smith goes in great detail talking about the Double Standards regarding reproductive rights. This includes contraception and statutory rape child support. Also, I liked the fact she took the issue of paternity fraud head on. This was another well done chapter which Dr. Helen Smith put together.

Temporarily will skip chapter 3 “The College Strike” come back to it after I cover chapter 4 “Why Does Dad Stay in the Basement” 

Chapter 4 “Why does Dad Stay in the Basement”

Here is what I like, she addresses the fact men these days are afraid of helping women due to the fear of getting falsely accused of crimes and getting sex offender status thanks to radical feminist policies. Dr. Helen Smith addresses misandry in the media as well as feminists invading male only spaces. Finally, she discussed how one wife gave her “husband” permission if he could by a desk for his small man cave. Stories like these make my balls shiver and makes me glad I’m stuck in a ball and chain called marriage.

I will conclude this chapter with a two sentence passage which Dr. Smith wrote in this chapter.

“When a partner isolates their spouse from friends, associates, and public places, it’s called domestic abuse. When it’s done to an entire gender, it’s called Feminism”

I certainly digged that passage and another well done chapter written by Dr. Helen Smith

Now back to Chapter 3 “The College Strike”

Here is what I liked, she takes on the hostile male environments in school from elementary all the way through college which are driving young men away from college. Also discusses, the radical title IX and radical sex policies. Meaning, it’s very easy for a young college man to get falsely accused of rape, getting expelled without a fair hearing and potential sex offender status. 

Most of the issues she did cover in this chapter she did very well.

She also showed an income chart of median full time 25 year old males working full time and median earnings of all men.

Also, the impression I got was (at least from the interview with Christina Hoff Summers) it’s essential that a man has a college degree to be successful and this is a ticket toward guaranteed success.

Why did this chapter get an 8 out 10 while the other three got perfect 10’s. The answer is the issue of student loan debt and the hostile feminist controlled Human resource departments make it very tough to get stable employment got missed.

First I recommend watching this youtube clip

Next I recommend checking out this news article 

The average 2013 college graduate average student loan debt is $35,200 

In Chapter 5 “Why it Matters” Dr. Helen Smith discussed how the mid manger positions in bigger companies are being dominated by women. These women tend to hire someone who is like them which means more women get hired.

On top of this, Anti Male Feminist Human Resource Departments are female dominated as well. Which means more men will get screened out in the preliminary application phase.

It’s very well possible that men who get college degrees are better off than men who don’t, it’s also very well possible that men who get college degrees are worse off than guys who don’t.

Many young men who freshly graduate from college go through is we’re not going hire you no matter what since you don’t have 3-5 years of work experience, their references aren’t getting contacted on top of this, mid level manager positions in bigger companies and the anti male feminist human resource departments are women dominated which won’t bode well for young men either. 

Now many 2013 male college graduates will be saddled with average of $35,200 in student loan debt and are stuck in a dead job because they are not getting a fair opportunity.

Younger men can see their older brothers, cousins, older friends, be saddled with massive student loans with very little career prospects. I have to imagine this has to play some role in the College Strike and this was not mentioned in the book.

Other than this one issue I thought Dr Helen Smith did a fantastic job on the first four chapters.

Why Men's Groups Fail

I just finished reading Dr. Helen's book Men on Strike which overall is a very well written book. Over the next few days I will work on putting together a book review and hopefully it will be ready to be posted by the weekend.

However, I will say that as a Man Going my Own Way I do see things a little bit differently than what she wrote as her 6 tips in the final chapter.

Which means in my review at the end I will need break down 2 big important issues. One would be the two options society gives to the majority of men.

The other is why Men's Groups are utter failures. While I think Dr. Helen Smith means well I'm not sure how much she understands the history of Why Men's Groups Fail.

I remember back in 2007 Irlandes from the Don't Get Married wrote a very good post on Why Men's Group's Fail.

I did a google search to see if it could be located and I did find in in the Best of Happy Bachelors and I did find under the thread Words of Wisdom from Irlandes but was not separated from the other 31 posts.

Therefore I decided to copy and paste it here so it could be seen all by itself, while your at it, I also high recommend reading the thread it's your problem NOT ours by Irlandes as well.





With said here is the post Irlandes wrote called Why Men's Groups Fail! Enjoy!

Why MRA/FR Groups Fail

Married said he believed an MRA organization could be made to work. A lot of people over the last 40 years have agreed with this statement. None of them actually accomplished anything of importance, but they started out with the belief they could. The best of them got some publicity, and from time to time made changes affecting a man or two, but the feminist steam-roller never so much as slowed.

How well I know. Been there; done that.

I was active as an individual from 1978 until 1993, and from 1984 till 1993 I supplied no-fee counseling services from my home to divorced and unwed fathers, my Real Daughter did a statistical sampling when she was in the University and estimated I must have worked with over 1,600 men, and a very few non-custodial women (since their problems are virtually identical.) From 1984 till 1987, when a stupid, ignorant bas tard broke it up because we didn't do things his way, I was both counselor and spokesman for the board of directors of a Father's Rights group. I also read a lot, and studied other groups to see why no one could get any serious participation.

The reason I like the marriage strike and this message board is because it doesn't matter if we men agree on things. As long as the general trend is a collapse of marriage, and that is indeed the current trend, the feminists are guaranteed to lose, the only question is what language we will be speaking next and how many will be killed when this nation is destroyed. I like to fantasize that we can fix the nation, cast out the vicious man-haters, restore the family as the building block of our society, and return to the Constitution, but I realize that is not rational to think so.

Here, I am going to write some of the basics that I learned about MRA groups and why they have always failed, and why they will always fail, no matter how brilliant and dedicated the men involved may be. Hint: they always die from internal illnesses.

[I]. A REFUSAL TO STUDY HISTORY. Very few men who found MRA/FR groups bother to talk to those who came before. The argument goes like this: "I don't want to talk to you. You accomplished nothing, so you are a loser. I can learn nothing from a loser like you." Yes, at times, they use that sort of language.

Already at this stage, they are 100% guaranteed to fail. They not only have to re-invent the wheel. They have to first learn how to walk; discover the cave as a residence; discover clothes and fire; and find a supply of food before they can even think of something advanced like the wheel. Every step of the way, it is fight, bicker, and quarrel, and they are merely relearning the most basic elements of what has been tried dozens of times before. Most groups never reach the wheel stage.

There is no time for this. For forty years, the average MRA/FR organization has only lasted an estimated 18 months before some know-it-all, who almost never does anything personally, breaks it up.

And, of course, the founders do not always avoid terminal mistakes at the most basic level.

This is usually a subset of "I am special and different. Everyone else is a loser, so of course they failed. Since I am special and different, I will succeed where the losers all failed."

[II]. LETTING WOMEN HELP. Here, on DGM.com, it doesn't matter, since we don't have to actually do anything as a group except help Lee keep his Internet service working. The function here is simply to convince men that marrying AW on a business-as-usual basis has a high probability of destroying their lives, and making their children's lives equally miserable. There is room here for those who want to find and marry the extremely rare Lydia; live as a solitary bachelor; bring in a FW; move to a foreign country; or become a sex tourist. Every single AW who doesn't obtain a wage slave to kick around and divorce is another victory for all men. Even if they manage to take away Lee's services forever, he has already created an excellent cadre to carry on the work underground.

In an MRA/FR group with real goals, female participation is the kiss of death. This is not intuitive, but it is reality. I am going to tell what happened in our FR group, but I contacted other groups to see how things went with them. Most of those in groups that accomplished NOTHING proudly said they had women helping, and they also sadly admitted they had a constant number of suicides among members. Our suicides dropped to zero once we ousted the women.

[a]. The women, mostly second wives or girl friends, who attended meetings, demanded half of the group's work be to help women, in the name of equality. Women already have the Army; Air Force; Navy; Marines; National Guard; State Highway Patrol; State Bureau of Investigation; Sherriff; City Police; DHS; the local DV center; and the entire Federal and State Budgets at their fingertips. Men have nothing except imputed payments for this and that and threats of jail if they can't pay. Our annual budget was probably around $200. Yet, these fiends insisted we had to be 'fair'.

[b]. They demanded we not allow men to whine; men are "supposed to act like men." See suicide info above. After we (okay, I, under authorization of the State President) got rid of the women, our meetings emphasized counseling techniques and suicides dropped to zero.

[c]. The minute anyone attempted to enforce group bylaws, which generally meant telling an obstreperous woman to sit down and shut up, other men would do a great imitation of Don Quixote and rush to the attack against the vile brute who actually dared to seek justice for MEN. (For those unfamiliar with classic Spanish literature, Quixote was a senile, doddering old fool on a knightly crusade in his private world of dementia, and could not tell the difference between a windmill and the enemy, nor between a horrid female fiend and a woman of flawless purity.)

[III}. MEN ARE INCAPABLE OF COOPERATING TO STAND UP TO WOMEN. This is the ultimate reason MRA/FR groups are inevitably doomed to fail. Men simply cannot organize to stand up to women. Not now; not in the Greek Empire; not in the Roman Empire; not ever.

No, I am not contradicting my statement that in Mexico men cooperate to keep women under control. Men can do that. But when women once take control of the entire system and raise a generation of children, men can't get it back. It it were possible, we would still be speaking Ancient Latin or Greek.

Forever

I found a very hilarious youtube clip of Bob Segar rapping one of Kid Rocks songs on stage

I was thinking what would this go good with this for blogging purposes and then I clicked the MGTOW Testimonies thread in the Best of Happy Bachelors and found two good comments one by Anonymous and the other by Bachelor Legend Christopher In Oregon which I will now post and I think these two comments go great with this video of Bob Segar rapping it up with Kid Rock!

Here is the comment Anonymous left

I retire comfortably this year at age 45. As a young man I dreamed of finding a pretty, wholesome young lady with a pleasant personality to court, marry and raise a family with like so many generations before me had, but alas, it never happened.


Enter reality and feminist modern times: Remove the grossly obese, the high mileage VD ridden sluts, the bitchy career women or a combination of all three and your choices are limited to well, nothing I could find in the last 30 years. Very limited. We're talking finding a needle in the haystack, but first having to find the haystack limited.

Thank you American women for making me avoid and distrust you because of your rotten selfish behavior during my prime nesting years when my hormones were raging and my thoughts were not always clear. I now see it was a trap that I avoided altogether and you made sure I steered clear of it by showing your true nature early before I became shackled for life. Again, thank you. I couldn't of done it without you. I will now live out the remainder of my life in leisure doing as I please with a non removable grin on my face while others who were not so lucky work themselves into an early grave trying unsuccessfully to please a rapidly aging wife and spoiled, ungrateful children.



Bachelor Legend Christopher in Oregon made this comment based on the comment left by Anonymous

 During my twenties my parents constantly told me if I could just get to thirty, I would be home free. They were right.

Women, even the truly attractive ones, somehow just aren't that attractive once your sex drive starts to disappear. The fog lifts, and you start noticing the annoying and down-right rotten things about women that you never noticed when you were blinded by your sex drive.

You start seeing the physical imperfections that even the prettiest women have. The blemishes. The overuse of cosmetics. Things caught in their teeth. Plaque build-up. Hair on the lip. Less than perfect hair dye. Bad hair cut. Bushy eye brows. Bad breath. The stupid laugh that grates on your nerves. Her lack of knowledge in current affairs. Shit. The list grows ever longer as you grow older, and your patience grows shorter.

Women simply start to annoy by their mere presence after a point in life.

When you hit forty, the situation becomes laughable. If you listen to nothing else I say, boys, trust me on this one:

The satisfaction you get from snubbing or cancelling out on a date at the last minute with a 35+ attractive woman makes the misery you suffered at the hands of women all worth while.

Granted; I never really suffered, as I avoided them, but what the heck, I might as well enjoy it as long as it's being throw in my face.

I took the last few days off work, and rode my Harley Beasties around. Just because I bloody-well wanted to. Today, I rode all around the snow covered mountains surrounding Mt. St. Helens. An absolute blast. Most of the roads are still closed due to extremely heavy snow. So, I rode where I could, and sat at a viewpoint for about fifteen minutes talking about motorcycles with the Under-Sheriff of Skamania county. He rides, and we had a blast sitting there staring at Mt. St. Helens and talking about the Elk and Deer that inhabit the area. It was a memory that will last forever. Fifteen minutes with a total stranger permanantley imprinted on my mind. It sure beat the hell out of spending the day perusing the aisles of K-Mart with a fat bitch of a wife.

I came home, watched movies, a few episodes of Hogan's Heroes, and it's off to bed. Tomorrow, I stop by the doctor because I've been riding my bikes so much, it's re-activated a long dormant 'roid. Hope he can cure it. lol. Ah, the penalties of being a care-free bachelor. Oops. I meant joys.

Keep Your Hands to Yourself

In the Outcast Superstar Archives, I archived an entry Called Dealing With the Topic of MGTOW at Work, Also in my archives, I archived an entry by Marky Mark called How To Handle The "Why Aren't You Married" Question at Work

A New Member from Happy Bachelors Forum wrote a great piece in the MGTOW section called "Rules for MGTOWs in the Work Place", and at the bottom I pasted a reply that a veteran poster posted!

Hi All,

I have been reading the posts on this forum for a while now and I notice that most MGTOWs have become/or on the path to become financially independent. However, young bucks like me still have to work for others while we are on the path to financial escape(from debt) before independence kicks in. So, I tried some of the below strategies and seems to work very well for now...

1) Get a combover hairstyle: This is a good weapon you can use to ward off parasitic females while giving off the professional vibe which will help you score points come promotion time. I used to have a nice spiked up hairstyle and within a week after I changed it, the female attention from the hoe-bag husband trapping bitches dropped so hard, just like that..

2) Get everything on the record: By this, I mean that you have to make sure anything and everything you do has to be mentioned in an email which you can fall back on if things go south. I work in an office, where there are a lot of deadlines and the environment is a bit high-pressured and people give verbal instructions which they retract on if it backfires (esp. the crazy supervisor/manager bitches). So, keep everything on paper and you can use it to your advantage as well, come bonus time as evidence of achievement.

3) Keep the classic wardrobe: Man, this is a big one. I dont mean that you have to go and buy expensive suits, but when you simplify your work clothing to mostly white shirts, grey suits and polo tees on casual fridays and you dont change from this, women dont notice you much and they think you are a conservative and not to their liking. If its a bit oversized, all the more better (as only the guys who try to impress women wear clothing which looks good but uncomfortable as fuck, you know)...

4) DONT socialize: This is a big big NO NO. Even if it is with guys, trust me on this one. Most guys who socialize and get the attention of everybody in the office are MANGINAS. They talk about how they love women, how they like hitting the clubs and about all the girls in the office when they are with you..etc. And they turn around and say the same sphiel to other people and the girls as well. Since MGTOW is not mainstream, any mention of not wanting to get married is met with a lotta criticism, which you dont want to get associated with your professional image. You do your WORK, get out and LIVE YOUR LIFE.

5) Learn "Receptionist": Okay, this is a word I created, which means you learn to engage with people in a way which is friendly, but distant like a receptionist talking to a random caller. I got this mindset from some of the members of this forum, so I cant take credit for it, but you get the idea.. The core essence of this point is to show as little emotion as possible to not appear cold.

6) UNDERSTAND that as a MGTOW, you can never reach the echelons of upper management: The modern-day CEOs/Managing Directors/upper management are guys who are masters at political correctness. They are the people who played the game safe at the expense of their own beliefs/values and they probably over-worked because they are stuck in the corporate MATRIX (make more money to satisfy prima-donna wife/keep-up the appearance of successful lifestyle..etc). You have to put work/professional life above your personal goals/ambitions to become upper management anyways(which I hate as I value my life and my time. I just swallowed the red pill and got out of being a drone-worker for women man, why would I want to do that for a corporation!!) So, as an MGTOW, you can only go as far as to the point where you can get out of work on time without it affecting your life, which is not much (in some jobs, you can be a manager/supervisor and not worry about work much).

So, why do I keep working in an office if its so hard? I am learning my trade gentlemen and you should do the same too. If you work as a mechanic, learn what you can to become a mechanic on your own. Whatever you are doing, you should be able to take the skill sets acquired to go into business for yourself. And if you play the corporate game right, you can make some good money very quickly to become financially "free". Become a sponge and learn anything and everything in the office, there are probably training sessions you can enroll for and pick up useful skills. Even if you dont need/use them now, they will come handy some day. And the best part is - these courses are for FREE (unlike college) and people will willingly teach/train you so that it looks good on their record to show that they trained you.






Here is the veteran member response

A very good post and summary for the younger men out there. Those of us who are a bit older understand that it can sounds like a great sacrifice to maintain the kind of discipline you suggest.
After all the hormones and the temptation to "sample" the workplaces sluts is strong when you're 25 but in the end the pain and grief isn't worth it.

Most men will never know what true freedom is because they've chosen the path of least resistance that society sets out for them.

We've all seen the results of the trapped beta at 40, with no reason to be exist other then as a wallet for some ungrateful ho and her wombturds.

The only thing I can add to that list for the younger guys is to always contingency plan your future, men are very good at this and know how to do this from instinct
This means having at least a Plan B and maybe even a Plan C, should things not work out in your career you should have fallback. Mangina and betas don't have any such plans and you can clearly see the results when TSHTF.

A lot of younger men don't realize but need to understand that rich men don't aren't rich because of the lottery, they're rich because they PLAN to be rich, they have a goal and several ways to get to that goal and they put all their focus and energy into reaching that goal. They don't simply stumble into financial independence, they plan their way and then execute on that plan and allow nothing to stop them.

I not wealthy myself but I'm not poor either, I have the resources now to sustain myself in relative comfort for at least a decade if things should go bad. I did this because back when I was 30 I realized I had no future, except as a permanent cubicle slave, if I didn't come up with a plan to manage my finances and build some wealth.

This is another cornerstone of MGTOW philosophy and lifestyle, independence doesn't just mean physical independence, it mean financial and emotional independence as well.

The only point I would amend is #6, I think you can reach the echelons of upper management, but not working for someone else! You can reach the management stratosphere of your OWN company. The wealthiest men in the world never got to where they were by playing by other people's rules. They formed their own companies and made their own rules that others play by.


All in all an excellent post and something for the younger crowd to keep in mind.

Firefighter Fred Manned Up

In previous blogposts I posted links to articles where feminists are demanding men to Man Up (1,2,3)

However what is the reward for a man to man up and get married in the 21st century? Many will say but my woman is not like that! Also there will be many white knights and manginas criticizing bachelors for being "peter pans, selfish, immature etc"

All I have to say is Firefighter Fred Manned Up! You too can Man Up and have society reward you just like society rewarded Firefighter Fred! (Firefighter Fred shows up between :25 - 1:46, feel free to ignore the rest)

While I may find one of Weird Al Parody's Song's to be quite humorous, you sure the hell won't if society rewards you like society rewarded Firefighter Fred for Manning Up!

No More Mr. Nice Guy

Tonight I was browsing through the Best of Happy Bachelors Forum.

I found one of all time favorites just to show that MGTOW sites and blogs do make a difference!

Here is the Off Centre View Testimony

Dear readers,I apologize for taking time for my second Plato vs Aristotle post, I will be posting that shortly. I've been really heavily affected by a woman recently, and let her affect my emotional well-being. We met through friends, and we hit things off the first evening we met. She looks like every man's Swedish fantasy, tall, blonde, with an amazing figure, and a killer sense of humor. In the time I knew her, she made me happy and also brought me low - she messed with my in a number of ways and I quickly realized that she was likely still boinking her ex, who was a 'bad boy' with a tattoo (who she had ignored her parents for and had lived with for a time), while I'm a Good Man pursuing his career and working hard for my future. In the end, I told her to stop messing with me and have decided to forget her and concentrate on my Master's work at the moment, and applying for jobs in the future.

I remember reading the interesting Outcast Superstar blog and his much publicized "F*&^ers and Suckers" piece about modern women going out with the bad boys in her prime years and then looking for sucker to spend all of his money on her in the future. I'm determined not to fall into that trap myself, but I only narrowly avoided it this time. I've resolved to be celibate for a time and to concentrate on my own needs and goals. I'd like to settle down and have a family someday in the future, but a lot of modern women seem incredibly messed up and all kind of sound the same repeating phrases at me all the time "I don't want to get married/have kids until I'm in my 30s", "I want a career" [most blokes just want a job] and blah blah blah.

My dad has been a strong influence on my life and I'm sure he could get a lot of interest from women, but he's said he's always been faithful to my mum because cheating is just not worth it for all the guilt and strain on things. My folks raised me to be a man who had high standards and works up to them. Sometimes I'd like to be the guy who could just shag around, and I've had plenty of offers from women (I can be a very charming kind of guy, so I'm told), but it doesn't fit into the man I want to be and so I choose not to act in that manner. If any of my readers think otherwise, that's cool because it's your own lives, and I'm not going to preach at people but every action has it's consequences.

Until next time,

Peace,Off Centre View