There is another all time classic thread in the MGTOW Forums called More Interesting Things Going on in Japan
What is currently going on in Japan is very fascinating and I can only hope American Men, British Men, Canadian Men, and Australian Men can have the same impact as the Japanese Men. The Japanese Men have set the Gold Standard of how to make a huge impact!
This thread has lots of meat which I just can't post it all here but I highly recommend any one who reads my blog to check it out
On Page 3 of this big thread it turned into Half Patriarchy and Double Standards which I wanted to copy and paste a couple of posts (2 out of 48 and counting to be exact)
First here was what MGTOW member Disgruntled Gentlemen Wrote
If I've said this once, I've said this a thousand times; patriarchy is (was?) the best system to utilise men to build civilisation. It requires sacrifices from both men AND women in order to achieve civilisation. Feminists DO NOT HATE the patriarchy. Let me repeat that, feminists DO NOT HATE the patriarchy, they only hate the part that places restrictions on them and enjoy the benefits they got from it via the labour of men. This is why Japanese women are pissed off because men are refusing to conform to patriarchal demands anymore.
On another note, MGTOW is not about changing society, it is about reclaiming yourself as an individual and making choices that are in YOUR best interests and not supplicating to the life script as prescribed by the powers that be. Having a PR room for MGTOW/Herbivores means we give a shit what the collectivists think when we do not. We looked at the rules of the game, saw that the risks didn't outweigh the rewards, and went our own fucking way...
If ALL the laws were changed tomorrow and everything become fair, hell, if they went the other way and were more beneficial towards men, I still wouldn't get married. I don't care anymore. I'm an individual, not a cog on the collectivists slave plantation...
The Legendary MGTOW Poster Zed wrote this reply
Well, the feminists were actually right about one thing - "patriarchy" was just as restrictive of men as it was of women. And women wanted to tear down the restrictions on women, while leaving the restrictions on men in place - and in fact strengthening them.
Unfortunately for them, it is not possible to tear down half a house. Even if someone tried, the structural integrity of the house would be sorely compromised by taking away one side wall, half the front and back walls, and half of each floor.
Back in the mid 20th century, most cultures were complex systems of interlocking institutions. And anyone who knows anything about systems theory is that if you change one part of a system, you change the workings of the entire system.
Sex roles were integral parts of what might be considered "standardization of culture." When men and women were each indoctrinated in their respective sex roles, it was pretty much possible to put any random man and random woman together and they would be able to manage at least a marginally functional family structure. A man could earn the wages, and a woman would put those wages to use taking care of the family.
So, think of a culture as a factory manufacturing standardized family parts.
Take away the standardization, and manufacture each part individually - so that it does not mate well with its complementary part - and production regresses to pre-industrial levels. It would be like closing all auto manufacturing plants and all the plants making parts for them, and making everyone who wanted an automobile to hand craft each part in his garage. If a part broke, he could not get a replacement, even from another automobile, because there is only one of his model.
This is the situation in Japan - the factories manufacturing future citizens are failing to keep up production levels due to loss of standardization.
Staying with the automobile analogy, in the pre-feminist world, every automobile had one engine and one transmission. The engine provided the power, but it took the transmission to convert that power into motive force at the wheels.
Men provided the financial power, and women transmitted that power to move the family. Pretty slick engineering.
But, women didn't like being transmissions, they wanted to be engines. But, what good is an automobile with 2 engines - one to power the movement, one to run the interior accessories - but no transmission?
You can sit in one place, run the heater, the stereo, the panoramic cameras on each side the vehicle, and put the electric windows up and down; but you can't go anywhere.
It doesn't do any good to make the primary engine even more powerful, if you still don't have a transmission. All you do is burn up more fuel, and still don't go anywhere.
And that is pretty much the situation in Japan. It is one of the larger markets for consumer products per capita in the world. Except the problem is that they are no longer manufacturing new consumers.
The biggest thing that the feminists did not notice was that while they were tearing down the social institutions that conditioned women to want to be the wife part of a family, and know how to do that, they were also tearing down the same institutions which conditioned men to want to be the husband part of a family.
Now, a large percentage of both sexes don't want to be either.
There is not much biological urge to be a father. In many cases feminists were right about that being a social construct. Reverting to base biology, the terms are sire for the male and dam for the female. Whatever biological urge remains in men is to engage in the activity which sires children, but being marginally thinking beings many men are controlling those urges and doing a cost-benefit analysis.
This is where the like of guys like Henry Makow slam up against the likes of guys like Neal Patrick Harris. Makow wants the culture to continue promoting homophobia so men are inhibited from seeking sexual congress with their own sex. This is a way of constraining men so that there is only one possible outlet for their sexual urges.
It does not work, however, when those outlets are closed.
Japanese culture has lost the ability to sustain itself through the threat of loss of "face." The social constraints that men had to fulfill to get "face" have been destroyed.
Prison camps will accomplish nothing unless the plan is to simply exterminate single men. They will not replace "face" as a method of motivating men to work themselves to death.
