Outcast Superstar

Linking Project

2010-04-11T15:49:00.000-07:00

Here are many threads regarding American Women, Marriage/Divorce Industry, and writings by Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW). Below this are Tom Leykis episodes and links regarding Bachelor Vacations, Expating, Asian Massage Parlors, Escorts and Male Sexual Performing Enhancing Drugs. You should find many of these links of great interest. Enjoy!

Best of Happy Bachelors Forum

What is Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) About?

Don’t Marry Essay

The Misandry Bubble

Briffaults Law

What Divorce Law is doing to Marriage

THANK GOD I’M NOT MARRIED AND WILL NEVER GET MARRIED! GOOD FUCKING RIDDANCE!!!

60% of American Wives Cheat on their Husbands

Typical American Women

Single Men, Rich, Happy, and Free

Us Men Didn't Agree to Feminism

Big List of the Benefits of Bachelorism

Engineering your life, Systems, Products, and Process

Tiger Woods: A Cautionary Tale for All American Men

Average Cost of Raising a Child in the United States and Women Who Lie to Get Pregnant

Wanna Get Married and/or Have Kids

Still Want to Get Married?

American Automakers and Women

Continuous Improvement and Innovation

One God, One Emperor, One Empire

Shutting Down the Matriarchy

Why some men prefer to visit prostitutes over having a girlfriend or wife

Ghosts in the Machine

Perspective 106 (You Win by NOT Playing )

American People in their 30’s 1, 2, 3, 4

The Story of Mike

You bet I’m the Pan

Crossing the Finish Line (If you can make it to 30 unscathed, you will be home free )

American vs. Foreign Women Comparison Chart

Divorce Industry Corruption

Mirror of the Soul: Modern Women

Dating in the West

How to live like a millionaire overseas

How to save money on airfare

Sexual Utopia in Power

Child Support Casualties

Expat Observations

Dealing with the question why you aren’t married at work

Women are like hand grenades

Poison Posse

Bachelor Codes

Chivalry at Gunpoint

Alimony: A Lottery

Automatic Mother Custody

Decoding the Codes

Feminist Power = Limitation of Sex Supply

Friends First Scam

Time for a resurrection in life

Married Women in the West Don't Like Sex (With Their Husbands)

The Divorce Industry

Tom Leykis Episodes

2010-04-11T14:38:00.000-07:00

Tom Leykis is a very influential man and a great role model for younger men. The first link is a website which contains many of his episodes. The following two links are by two people on you tube who post Tom Leykis's best episodes, and the links below these three, are some of my favorite episodes.

Tom Leykis On Line

Tom Leykis Channel (LVJ112)

Tom Leykis Channel (alexanderino)

Poindexter's Revenge (My Favorite)

Over the Hill Women

Be Booty Call NOT Boyfriend or Husband

Women Who Have "Had Their Fun"

How Chicks Complain

Marriage Bait and Switch

Women let themselves go when they are married

How Women really view marriage

Marriage NOT Good for Men

Divorce Due to Net Worth

Marriage and Money (Tom really gets the ball rolling on Part 2)

Chivalry is Dead

Women are Depreciating Assets

Only Women Benefit from Marriage

Alimony for Cheating Spouses

Bachelorette Parties

Dating

$184 Million Divorce

"Are Men Intimidated by Successful Women?"

Big Fat American Women make unrealistic demands

Bachelor Links

2010-04-11T13:34:00.000-07:00

60% of American Wives Cheat on Their Husbands Index

2010-04-11T13:22:00.000-07:00

Thread at Happy Bachelors Forum

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Part 4

Part 5

Part 6

60% of American Wives Cheat on Their Husbands Part 6

2010-04-11T13:21:00.000-07:00

I posted this

This was posted by ron from the Don't Get Married Board

This appeared in the Dear Abby column in 2007

today's Dear Abby...

HUSBAND'S SUICIDE IS TOUCHY SUBJECT FOR UNFAITHFUL MOM

DEAR ABBY: I am a middle-aged woman, currently married to a wonderful man I'll call Ron. I was married once before to a man I'll call Hank, with whom I had two daughters. When my daughters were little, I grew restless and had several affairs. I fell in love with one of the men -- Ron.
When Hank discovered my infidelity, he committed suicide. About a year and a half later, Ron and I married.

My eldest daughter is now 15, and she has asked me the reason for her father's suicide. I want my daughter and I to have an honest relationship. Should I tell her? -- UNFAITHFUL IN MICHIGAN

DEAR UNFAITHFUL: People in their right minds do not kill themselves because a spouse is unfaithful. Apparently your former husband had other issues, including depression. I recommend that you tell your daughter that her father committed suicide because he battled depression and lost. From my perspective, it's the truth.

Nemo writes

Un-freaking-believable.

It's one thing to intellectually realize that women have no sense of honor or logic. Whatever a woman "feels" IS true to her because her brain is just wired that way.

It's still a shock to realize that women are SO freaking narcissistic that a wife can rationalize away the suicide of her husband after she got got with another man as HIS mental illness ...

... and that she'll lie about it to her own daughter ...

... with the BLESSING and SUPPORT of her fellow women.

The life of a husband really is worth less to a wife than the life of her pet dog.

Supreme2010 writes
I think its safe to assume that the husband committed suicide because hew as depressed....

ABOUT HIS SKANKY WHOREBAG WIFE'S CHEATING.

Not with just one but several men at that...and she married the last one?

WOW! What a sad situation; her kids are obviously not aware of their mom's cheating ways. But I guarantee you that they will find out as they get older.

People [family members, close friends] LOVE to tell what they know. and you know somebody is just dying to tell the girl her dad was depressed about her mom fuckin every dick she could find.

Supreme2010 also writes
ALSO, notice this bitch says I WANT MY DAUGHTER AND I TO HAVE AN HONEST RELATIONSHIP.....then why are you asking Dear Abby for advice?

This is the typical bullshit that women hide behind. If you want to be honest, then be honest, if you don't, THEN DON'T. Its obvious she doesn't want her daughter to think less of her BUT YOU WANT TO BE HONEST and its obvious she has no intentions of telling about her affairs BUT YOU WANT TO BE HONEST.

Women pull this kind of crap in relationships all the time. Its called SUPER SELECTIVE BULLSHIT. If you do a little digging, i.e., asking certain questions without letting stuff go and just accepting what they tell you, eventually, you will find out what you need to know.

Tariq expounded on this in one of his radio shows and it is soooo on point, fellas. He calls it:
Half-Truths Women Tell
http://macklessonsradio.com/index/episode-231-half-truths-women-tell-

Prodigal Son writes

Hi,

I can totally believe this and British women aren't any better, as soon as things don't go the way they want they're looking for a quick way out but with the option of taking at least half of what the man has with them and blaming him for all the problems too. I know from personal experience that it's hard to find a good and decent woman now which is a shame, a very rich uncle of mine though he'd found the perfect wife who gave him two beautiful daughers in quick succesion but she quickly got "bored" and he was the one who suffered most of all because she now lives in what was his mansion whilst he's stuck paying child support and complaining that he got it all wrong, have told him that he's learned a lesson and should sort himself out because no woman's worth crying over. I'm proud to say that at 22 years old I've never even entertained the idea of being with a woman, have saw enough to put me off for life and it's good to see this man open his eyes to the way things works and at long last enjoy life without sucking up to women.

Best wishes,
~ Blair

60% of American Wives Cheat on Their Husbands Part 5

2010-04-11T13:19:00.002-07:00

Supreme2010 writes

this number really isn't a surprise....who do you think most married men are cheating with?

Generally, from what I have seen, married men tend to cheat with other married women...someone who has just as much to lose as they do.

Cheating with a single chick is always risky; she can get too attached and demanding of your time, threaten to reveal your cheating to your wife at any given time, come up preggers to trap you....the list goes on.

Then there are of course, probably a smaller percentage who are cheating with the same sex....but thats another thread right there.

I write

“Generally, from what I have seen, married men tend to cheat with other married women...someone who has just as much to lose as they do.”

I disagree with this statement! Married Women don't lose as much as Married Men do. All the Married Woman has to do is imply that at some point her husband may be abusive. Then she can get a thing called an "ex parte" which forces the husband out of the home. If the Married Woman gets the right lawyer first, hubby pays for his and her divorce fees (hundreds of dollars per hour), gets the house, gets at least half of the other assets, gets alimony, gets child support (if any kids) etc.

Married Women have nothing to lose by cheating on their husbands.

Still don't believe me? Play this 3 1/2 minute clip!

I also wrote

For those guest readers who think I'm full shit or I'm over exaggerating this thing called ex parte.

Here something I pulled up from the internet very quickly.

Here is the legal definition of "ex parte"

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e051.htm

EX PARTE

Lat. 'By or for one party' or 'by one side.'

Refers to situations in which only one party (and not the adversary) appears before a judge. Such meetings are often forbidden.

Although a judge is normally required to meet with all parties in a case and not with just one, there are circumstances where this rule does not apply and the judge is allowed to meet with just one side (ex parte) such as where a plaintiff requests an order (say to extend time for service of a summons) or dismissal before the answer or appearance of the defendant(s).

In addition, sometimes most of the time on wife's request judges will issue temporary orders ex parte (that is, based on one party's request without hearing from the other side) when time is limited or it would do no apparent good to hear the other side of the dispute. For example, if a wife claims domestic violence, a court may immediately issue an ex parte order telling her husband to stay away. Once he's out of the house, the court holds a hearing, where he can tell his side and the court can decide whether the ex parte order should be made permanent.

Supreme 2010 writes

When I say a married woman has as much to lose as a married man cheating, I am speaking specifically of the marriage itself. Not everyone cheating wants to upset their present homelife, some just need a little ring-a-ding-ding on the side but have no intentions of leaving.

I know of at least 2 chicks who are screwing around on their husbands. Neither chick wants to leave her husband, lifestyle, etc., so they only fool around with other married men [never single men or so they claim]. Their thought is that the side dude isn't gonna rock the boat and neither are they - they both get what they want - or as people commonly say, they get to have their cake and eat it too.

Now for those who want OUT of their marriage, thats another story.

Curiepoint writes

What compounds the problem is simply this:

Women haven't any sense that anything they do is wrong.

Indidelity isn't infidelity; it's sexual empowerment, to their warped little minds. Have you ever seen a child that gets caught doing something of which they are uttlerly aware is wrong, and once they realize they can't lie their way out of it, they immediately turn to justification? In fact, they will turn the situation around and try to pin the blame on someone else:

"I only hit Billy because he hurt my feelings!"

Sounds rmarkably like:

""Men have cheated on their wives for centuries. We are only getting revenge for it"

"16 out of every 10 married women are raped by their husbands, or otherwise oppressed by himl why shouldn't I do the same to my own?"

"Every four nanoseconds, a woman is cheated upon 72 times by their husbands; why shouldn't I?"

"I met him, and I knew that he was my soulmate, just like the 300 hundred other men I fucked from the third grade through college. I love my husband, just like I loved all those other guys, so he should feel honored to have even been a part of my life. He has no right to be angry or to ask for a divorce"

We are asking too much of women, guys. We assume that she is an adult. We should go on the assumption that she has no moral compasss, and that she possesses an emotional maturity that is perhaps 1/3 her chronological age. As I could never think of marrying a 10 year old, so too must we all. Just take a look around the web and see how women are supported for their crimes; look at the expectation that we should be "Men" and forgive her for all of her aciting out of her historical oppression.

The last time I checked, forgiveness does not equal a pass to keep doing this shit to us.

60% of American Wives Cheat on Their Husbands Part 4

2010-04-11T13:19:00.001-07:00

Superbad writes

guys, out of school i was sort of a young "hot shot" working in a small rural town. over the years several attractive young married co-workers threw themselves at me. what was shocking is that they were not sluts. in fact, they were extremely demure, feminine, "model wife" types. this is what males who marry can expect of their "great" wives... they are liars. women feed men's egos... they're so sweet, innocent, and trustworthy... but i don't believe that for shit. why? because i was THAT guy. i was the guy who these perfect little angels wanted to have f**k them. and guys... i'm no rock star LOL.

Wc writes

Superbad,

I have heard enough of these types of stories over the years to shoot any confidence of finding a sweet angel of a little wife to hell! And often the last women to be suspected of such behaviour?

I recall an incident back when I was still a member of a fundamentalist church, our bishops wife, after 35+ years of marriage and 10 children later, left him for her stepbrother\half-brother (Something messy like that?). It was pretty shocking to me as she fit the typical little Mrs "Molly Mormon" profile to a T.

Your point is well received Superbad, that being, that some of sweetest girls are also some of the most dangerous for this very reason, they come across as more genuine.

WC

Sjenner writes

@outcast, @superbad, @wc- good reference to how women are liars, actresses and disloyal. Hence, why at 39, I am not ever going to marry or have kids. I used to have some hope years ago of meeting "The One" but reality opened my eyes and now I have become a ghost and happy bachelor.

I write
I don't have much more to add to this particular thread, these articles, statistical studies, and the Women talking to Tom Leykis speaks volumes by itself.

I have moved passed my anger phase.

In other words I have concluded my life would be better off without American Women in my life than with them in my life and I am planning my future without them.

Once I get financially stable and make it out of 20's if I still have sexual desires to be with women, I will just travel overseas frequently.

As many of you seen in the private member section with bachelor links I provided, there are quite few attractive places to take a nice get away vacation. When you are in the states there are plenty of Bachelor hobbies to do to keep one occupied.

Marcus Aurelius writes

Outcast superstar, +1 for all of this. I'm glad this was aired on cbs as it is now putting this out in the open.

I can speak on this subject with the authority of someone who has been there, MORE THAN ONCE.

Those links to the www.nomarriage.com articles are priceless. I read those and then suddenly everything made sense...

I, like many other delusional manginas thought that I had found the mythological ONE...which...had I listened to myself in the beginning, and stuck to my mysogonistic guns, never would have gotten attached. But I too fell for all the bullshit lies they, she spewed.

I thought the relationship was perfect, there were some kinks I suppose, but overall...I THOUGHT she was happy, her family loved me, etc.

But it has to be realized that because women lack the ability to stand on their own two feet, and essentially be functioning independently (the so called careerist cougars are anything but, but this is another matter), cannot function without social approval or stimulation. So basically, what you have, is a complacent, and dormant cheater. SHE MAY BE LOYAL TO YOU FOR A LONG TIME, BUT ONLY INSOFAR AS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY DOES NOT COME ALONG. This was my case. It is a ticking time bomb. The moment someone showed interest in my ex, and the 'thrill' of something new came along, suddenly her life with me was shit, boring, dull, and routine.....because on the side she could go out and get wasted and fuck this other moron. They become addicted to the chemicals triggered in the brain by the act....because a woman is incapable of rational thought and sound judgement...they act based solely off their 'feelings' which, is to say, the adult version of a child.

Like your one article says, which I also read, the irony is that the dumb bitches are the ones who push for the commitment in the first place, but once they have turned the Alpha into Beta, or simply dominate over a Beta, they become bored...and perpetually repeat the same PROCESS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. This is why they hop from one cock to another. They are so fucking stupid that they DON'T REALIZE THAT THEIR FEELINGS ARE NOTHING NEW, THAT THEIR ACTIVITY IS NOTHING NEW....it is the SAME thing over and over again, merely changing the PERSON. They will ride the thrill wave for awhile, until the relationship really settles in, and they become BORED YET AGAIN. THEY CHANGE PEOPLE BUT CANNOT CHANGE THEMSELVES.

"women are considered deep - why? because one can never discover any bottom to them. women are not even shallow."

-friedrich nietzsche

60% of American Wives Cheat on Their Husbands Part 3

2010-04-11T13:17:00.000-07:00

Link

That's Life! magazine survey (Dec 9 2004) questioned 5,000 women, average age 38, across England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland on their attitudes to truth, relationships, and behaviour.

# The overwhelming majority (96%) admit to lying.
# Almost half (45%) of the 5,000 questioned told the researchers for That's Life! magazine they tell lies most days.
# Half of all women would lie to their husbands or partners to keep their relationship going if they became pregnant by another man, a survey said today.
# Figures showed one woman in two would not tell her man that the baby she was carrying was not his - if she wanted to stay with him.
# They also said four out of ten (42%) would lie about contraception in order to get pregnant, in spite of the wishes of their partner.
# Eight out of ten women (83%) admit to telling "big, life-changing lies", with 13% saying they do so frequently.
# Partners (70%) are most likely to be lied to by women, with friends (65%), parents (64%), customers and clients (58%) and bosses (57%) also being deceived.
# Six out of ten (57%) admitted to stealing something, while one in four had taken from their parents. A quarter (23%) would "sneak a bottle or two" home if they were invited to a party by a well-off friend.
# Half (49%) would "kiss and tell" to the media for £25,000 if they had a one-night stand with a celebrity, and 38% say they would marry purely for money. 23% would allow their man to sleep with another woman for £50,000.
# Meanwhile, some 79% have got drunk at the office Christmas party, while a third admit to "getting off with someone they don't fancy" and 5% have ended up having sex with the boss.
# An alarming 31% of all women say they would not tell a future partner if they had a sexual disease. This rises for 65% for single women.
# Nearly half (46%) fake orgasms and more than half (55%) claim they are tired, have a headache, or feel ill to "get out of lovemaking".
# A fifth of women with a long-term partner (19%) say they have cheated on him by having an affair, while 30% of all women have had an affair with a married man.
# Most women (68%) do not trust their partner.

60% of American Wives Cheat on Their Husbands Part 2

2010-04-11T13:16:00.000-07:00

Link

Women's relationships today follow
a very predictable pattern:

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They push men for commitment
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They get what they want
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They lose interest in sex
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They become attracted to someone else
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They start cheating
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They become angry and resentful
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They begin telling their partners that they need time apart
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They blame their partners for their behavior...and eventually, after making themselves and everyone around them miserable for an indefinite, but usually, long period of time, they end their relationships or marriages.

If you're a male, like most other males, you would probably never suspect that your partner is cheating, not only because of your wife’s or girlfriend’s seeming disinterest in sex; but also because you have the belief that your wife or girlfriend is a “good girl.” Unfortunately, males are frequently left/divorced by their wives and girlfriends without ever knowing about their wives' and girlfriends' infidelities.

If you’re a female, like most other females, prior to cheating on your partner you always proclaimed yourself to be "not the type" who would ever cheat. However, also like most other females, after they have cheated, you're shocked and appalled by your behavior; but at the same time you can't stop cheating.

Women's relationships and marriages will continue to follow this same pattern unless we develop an accurate understanding of females ─ particularly in regard to their sexuality. In fact, after researching women's sexuality for more than ten years, I can honestly say that most of our societal beliefs about females are grossly distorted and many are completely erroneous.

The media has finally begun to acknowledge, albeit to a small degree, the widespread problem of female infidelity. Recently, several books and articles have attempted to explain why women are now cheating as much as men. However, none were successful in their attempt. All of them left out very important pieces to this extremely complicated puzzle. I believe the majority were simply unable to find all of the information necessary to figure out the problem. Although, I'm certain that some were just afraid to disclose certain key pieces of information because the truth, quite frankly, is so contrary to our current beliefs. Unfortunately, without these missing pieces, it's impossible to understand, and to subsequently fix, the real problem occurring in relationships today.

My story:

Shortly after my 27th birthday, I began to feel very different. I had been happily married for 4 years and then, suddenly out of nowhere, I began feeling bored and unhappy. In an attempt to figure out what was causing my unhappiness, I looked for answers in books, tried to talk to my Mother and eventually went to see a psychologist. All of the information I received attributed the way I was feeling to my husband, and similar to the majority of women, I began to view my husband as the culprit too.

Currently, women are initiating 70 - 75% of all divorces

Later, through my own research, I discovered that what I was experiencing was quite normal. In fact, women are the most likely to divorce in their late twenties and thirties after an average of 4 years of marriage. During this time, it's quite common for women to experience a pre-midlife crisis, which is similar to the male midlife crisis, only with an important difference - a difference that can actually make women more likely to cheat than men.

The "stages" that women often experience during the course of their long-term relationships

Several years into my research I was able to identify distinctive patterns and behaviors in the women I interviewed. I categorized these into four separate “stages” that women often experience during the course of their long-term relationships. The stages begin with a loss of sexual desire.

Stage 1

Women at Stage 1 feel as though something is missing in their lives. They have all the things that they wanted—a home, a family, a great husband—but they feel they should be happier. Over time, many women in this stage begin to lose interest in sex. It is not uncommon for them to spend a great deal of energy trying to avoid physical contact with their husbands because they fear it might lead to a sexual encounter. They frequently complain of physical ailments to avoid having sex and often try to avoid going to bed at the same time as their husbands. They view sex as a job, not unlike doing the dishes or going to the grocery store. Some women in Stage 1 claim they feel violated when their husbands touch them. Their bodies freeze up and they feel tightness in their chest and/or a sick feeling in their stomach. The majority of women in Stage 1 feel as though there is something wrong with them, that they are in some way defective. They are also fearful that their disinterest in sex will cause their husbands to cheat, or worse yet, leave them.

Stage 2

Women at Stage 2 experience reawakened desire stimulated by an encounter outside the marital relationship. Whether these encounters with a "new" man involves sex or remain platonic, women will typically give a tremendous amount of emotional significance to these encounters.

Many women in this stage haven't felt any sexual desire for a long time. Many experience tremendous guilt and regret, regardless of whether their new relationships are sexual, merely emotional, or both. Most begin to experience what could be termed an identity crisis—even those who try to put the experience behind them. Constant reminders are everywhere. They feel guilt when the topic of infidelity arises, whether in the media, in conversations with family and friends, or at home with their husbands. Women in this stage can no longer express their prior disdain for infidelity without feeling like a hypocrite. They feel as though they have lost a part of themselves. Reflecting society’s belief that women are either “good” or “bad,” women will question their “good girl” status and feel that they might not be deserving of their husbands. Many will try to overcome feelings of guilt by becoming more attentive toward and appreciative of their husbands. However, over time many women will move from appreciation to justification. In order to justify their continued desire for other men, women will begin to attribute these desires to needs that are not being met in their marriage, or to their husband’s past behavior. Many women will become negative and sarcastic when speaking of their husbands and their marriages and it is not uncommon for an extramarital affair to follow.

Stage 3

Women at Stage 3 are involved in affairs, ending affairs, or contemplating divorce. Women who are having affairs experience feelings unlike anything they have experienced before. They feel “alive” again and many believe they have found their soul mates. These women are experiencing feelings associated with a chemically altered state, or what is typically referred to as being in love.

These women are also typically in tremendous pain, the pain of choosing between their husbands and their new love interests. They typically believe that what they are doing is wrong and unfair to their husbands, but yet are unable to end their affairs. Many often try several times. Prior to meeting with their lovers, they will vow that it will be the last time, but they are unable to stick with their decisions.

Unable to end their extramarital relationships, women at Stage 3 conclude that their lovers are soul mates because they are unaware that they have become addicted to the high caused by chemicals released during the initial stages of a relationship. Many live in a state of limbo for years. “Should I stay married or should I get a divorce?” this is the question continuously on the minds of women at Stage 3 - it is also common for women at this stage to attempt to initiate a separation. In most cases, husbands of women at Stage 3, will launch futile attempts to make their wives happy by being more attentive, spending more time at home and helping out around the house. Regardless of women’s past and present complaints, the last thing women at Stage 3 want, is to spend more time with their husbands.

The reason many women will give for their desire to separate is a “search for self.” They convince their husbands that they might be able to save their marriage if they can just have time to themselves. They tell their husbands that time apart is the only hope of improving their current situation. Women at this stage want to free themselves of the restrictions of marriage and spend more time with their lovers. Most think that eventually their confusion will disappear. They think they will eventually know with certainty whether they want to stay married or get divorced and be with their lovers. Separation allows women at this stage, to enjoy the high they experience with their lovers without giving up the security of their marriages. Husbands of Stage 3 women are often unaware that their wives are having affairs. Their lack of suspicion is typically due to their wife’s disinterest in sex and in their belief that their wife is a “good girl.”

Women at Stage 3 may also be experiencing the ending of an extramarital affair, and the ending may not have been their decision. They may have been involved with single men who either lost interest because the relationship could not progress or who became attracted to another women who was single. Women whose affairs are ending often experience extreme grief. They may become deeply depressed and express tremendous anger toward their husbands. They are typically unaware that they are experiencing chemical withdrawal due to sudden changes in their brain chemistry. As a result, many will feel that they have missed their chance at happiness due to their indecisiveness.

Believing they have become more aware of what they want and need from a mate, women at this stage will often place the utmost importance on finding a "new" relationship that will give them the feeling they experienced in their affairs. A new relationship with a new partner will also represent a clean slate, a chance for these women to regain their “good girl” status. Some women will search for new partners during their separations. Others will return to their marriages, but not emotionally and still continue to search. Some women will resume sporadic sexual relations with their husbands in an effort to safeguard their marriage until they make a decision. Although they are often not sexually attracted to their husbands, desire is temporarily rekindled when they suspect their husbands are unfaithful, are contemplating infidelity, or when their husbands show signs of moving on.

Stage 4

The women in stage four included those who chose to stay married and continue their affairs and those who chose to divorce. Some of the women who continued their affairs stated that marital sex was improved by maintaining the extramarital relationship. Some thought the lover was a soul mate, but for one reason or another did not leave their husband and did not feel torn between the two. Others realized that their feelings were intensified by not sharing day-to-day living arrangements with their lover. Almost all of the women in this latter category were having affairs with married men. They believed their affairs could continue indefinitely without disrupting either partner’s primary relationship.

The women who chose divorce and were in the beginning stages of a new relationship typically expressed relief at having finally made a decision and reported feeling normal again. Many of the divorced women who had remarried and were several years into their new marriages seemed somewhat reluctant to talk about the specifics of their past experiences. However, they did mention feelings of guilt and regret for having hurt their children and ex-spouses only to find themselves experiencing similar feelings in the new relationship.

60% of American Wives Cheat on Their Husbands Part 1

2010-04-11T13:12:00.001-07:00

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/01/17/earlyshow/living/main667380.shtml

"Based on my research," the gender studies professor says, "I believe that 60 percent of women will at some point in their marriage embark on an extramarital affair."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334381,00.html

Barash interviewed 500 women nationwide and found 75 percent lie about how much money they spend, while more than 60 percent admitted to cheating on their husband.

More Links Regarding Women's Infidelity

http://www.nomarriage.com/women_cheat.shtml
http://www.nomarriage.com/women_cheating1.shtml
http://www.nomarriage.com/women_cheating2.shtml
http://www.nomarriage.com/articlecheating.html

http://www.nomarriage.com/modern_american_woman_2.html

This is the question for "Dear Abby" advice column:

Dear Abby:

I have been married for over 11 years. My marriage was a dream come true and appears to be ideal, with a loving husband, a big house, nice jobs, fancy vacations and now two children.

A twist of fate started seven years ago when I was reunited with an old friend from high school. Within a year we became intimate and very attached. We tried to stop seeing each other, but our separations wouldn't last.

Four years ago I got pregnant with my second child.

It turns out the child is not my husband's. My friend wanted me to divorce my husband but could only offer his love and companionship and not the marriage or lifestyle I now have.

I was scared of starting over in life. My secret relationship and all communication with my friend ended shortly after I gave birth. No one has any idea of our affair.

I recently was in contact with him after 2 1/2 years. We still love each other, and I don't think I can live without him. I feel so guilty about my feelings that I cause a lot of arguments in my marriage. I mentioned divorce to my husband, so now we see a marriage counselor. It has been helping.

The problem is the entire story isn't out in the open. I know I really messed up. Help!

Cost of Marriage

2010-04-11T12:50:00.000-07:00

Thread at Happy Bachelors Forum

Christopher in Oregon started this thread and writes this

Fellows;

I think I've mentioned a friend of mine in the past. His name is Tom. We've known each other since we were small children, but parted company when he got married the first time. His wife was a slut of the first order. She cheated on him, even hit on me, and the marriage ended after about ten years. Lost his house. One kid who has been brainwashed by the mother to hate him. Never talks to him.

Married again, second wife cheated on him with a sixteen-year-old, and again, the marriage ended and he lost another house. Two kids; reasonable relationship with both of them although the mother has tried to destroy that.

Ten years ago, he married a CPA he met when he was visiting relatives in Austria. He brought her here, certain that this devout Catholic from the old country would be more traditional. Nope. She cheated on him, and they divorced. Lost another house that he's renting back from the people he sold it to.

He now has three renters occupying the spare bedrooms in order to help pay the rent on what was once his own house.

This formerly robust fellow, who was always athletic, at only 49, is falling apart. The stress has given him severe ulcer problems. He can't eat. He is losing weight like I've never seen before. The stress of his ex-wives, and the problems with his children, are slowly wasting him away. One of his son's is about to marry a tramp, and it's killing my friend.

I warned him each time he got married to not do it. The first time we were nineteen, and each subsequent time I tried to reason with him. He quietly ignored me, and now he is paying the price.

This man's life is effectively ruined. His health is is deteriorating rapidly. Stress is killing him.

All because of women and his inability to see them for what they are and say "NO" to himself.

Such an insane price to pay, and what a vantage point to sit by and watch over a period of thirty years a friend being ruined by women.

Christopher in Oregon

Mr Reality writes
Very sad.

Let me tell you what happened. This man was lonely..as most men are in the United States. He wanted a partner, and since men don't socialize with one another like women do, he had to turn to a woman. Each time the woman, who does not see the man as a partner anyway, dominated him and then returned to "the sisterhood" with tales of her conquest.

Meanwhile, all men get is a "don't get married man" but nothing else to fill that void. Men are LONELY. Without a woman or something WORTHWHILE (something above this rotten society and its institutions) to devote themselves to they end up willfully becoming slaves. Any purpose is better than NO purpose to these men. This is why young men join gangs and such. They are rebelling against the establishment and at the same time seeking acceptance and purpose.

To find my purpose I find it necessary to be alone. Go somewhere you can be alone, sit near a lake, or in a beautiful park, and (this will sound very YOGA-like) FEEL the energy of the area untainted by Ameriskank and mangina negative vibrations. I used to go to a local arboretum and watch the deer and the birds. They are so natural and without malice. Unlike the skanks and simps we live around that call themselves women and men.

Your friend is a broken man because he has not freed his mind. He must find other men that are like us. In large enough numbers that he can feel as if he is in good company. Until then I would not doubt that in a few more years he may marry again.

Christopher in Oregon writes

We are much alike, me thinks. I've never had any problem occupying myself with my reading, listening to classical music, painting and riding my motorcycles. I just don't get lonely as most men do, and frankly, I've never thought the cure to loneliness was to share space with a nagging bag of cellulite. No thanks; not that desperate.

Yes, Tom said again just the other day that he couldn't stand to be alone. I suspect he is condemned to relive the past over and over again. He and I briefly get together after each marriage has failed, but once he latches onto another women, he disappears. So, while I do feel sorry when I see any human being suffering, I also realize that he's doing it to himself. He has DONE it to himself. Could he be any other way? Is he hard-wired to be nothing but a mindless drone for the matriarchy? A pussy-seeking breeder? Quite probably. I gave up trying to reason with his some time ago. He is what he is.

When we were teenagers, we had a ball. Inseparable we were. It was great. But, his first wife brought that to a screeching halt, in no uncertain terms. I suspect she was not only angered by my being single, but by the fact that I didn't take her up on her offer to cheat on Tom shortly after they married.

You are quite correct. Men are lonely. They don't network the way women do, and are easily picked off by matrimonially-minded women. I, on the other hand, have never cared much one way or the other. I've found a Zen-like peace for many years when I hop on my motorcycle and head off into the forest or desert. Very serene, and no woman to destroy my tranquility.

Christopher in Oregon

Zon writes

It takes a unique man to be comfortable within himself. This is an extremely rare gift!

We need to understand that more than 95% of the men out there will NEVER get it. Regardless of the facts & figures that are presented to them. They are drawn to their own demise like a piece of steel to a magnet.

I too know a couple of guys like this…It is very frustrating to watch.

It is difficult to leave the MATRIX…You cannot just walk out the door, so to speak. It is an evolution; an ongoing process. A few of us got started a couple decades or more ago and are able to see things very clearly and identify what is going on under the surface.

Christopher’s friend Tom is a classic example of how NOT to operate your one and only life. A “Smart” man will learn from his mistake(s)…An “Intelligent” man will prefer to learn from other peoples mistake(s). We all have choices and must live with the outcome of our choices.

Life in and of itself is difficult enough as it is, why on earth would I want to introduce more difficulty and complications? I am not a loner but I truly love being by myself. I enjoy walking along the lake, going for a drive in the convertible, and reading. Introspection and Observation are the keys to my inner peace. There is nothing that I love better than to be out and about people watching and observing. It is quite educational.

I love this line by Christopher: “I've never thought the cure to loneliness was to share space with a nagging bag of cellulite. No thanks; not that desperate.”

The thought of spending my life with some aging harridan who is constantly testing me, vying for control, using me as a slave, depleting my assets and future earnings. The whole mess completely turns me off to coupling up.

In my observations of couples, what I’ve noticed is that usually the man looks extremely lost and lonely even though he has this Big-Burley-Beastie-Monstrosity of a loud mouthed bitch beside him. How could that be? I thought being with a woman was to alleviate loneliness. Why is it that women always have that infamous scowl plastered on their face? Aren’t they happy with their effeminate man?

Turning off the Indoctrination Box (TV) would be a great start for getting in touch with oneself. Why compare yourself to all the shining happy people on TV? Why fulfill the Non-Reality that the elite are trying to indoctrinate people with? As we can see after 40 years of society following its Feminist/Marxist indoctrination, we now have a lonelier, more violent, unhappy, drugged, economically distraught, dumbed down, etc. society where women are men and men are women.

I think I will continue going my own way in bliss, serenity, happiness and thought. I will never understand how someone can be under the belief that another person or substance can fill a void within oneself…I have NEVER heard of this being fulfilled successfully. Yet, the masses of asses will continue trying to attain the impossible.

Imagine the aura of desperation and loneliness that this guy Tom has while he goes about searching for his next miracle cure in a woman. I’m certain that Christopher has a difficult time being around him. This Tom is literally only a shell of his former self as he pays these parasites: his emotions-time-houses-cars-furniture-child support-vaginamoney-freedom-etc… What did he get out of the deal?

Marcus Aurelius writes

I am sorry to hear about this guy. Man that sucks. To a lesser extent and with less consequences other than emotional primarily, I have made the same mistakes even knowing better. I was a mysogonist for years, but for some dumb odd reason I kept getting back on that run down treadmill. My faith, my stoic philosophy towards life, is what keeps me going. I'm a Buddhist Christian if that makes sense. Very much a loner too; I was fortunate, in that sense, being an only child, I was used to being on my own, and even craving solitary space.

But I'm not gonna lie. I'm new at this. I was living with a woman for so many years in a common law marriage, that its like finding myself all over again....like being ripped out of the Matrix as you guys call it.

For the most part, I am utterly happy. I feel free. Gonna go back to school. Devouring books on religion and philosophy left and right. Writing up a storm. Playing 360 whenever I want. Going places just to go, no nagging....no being dominated by sensual lusts, which is shit anyway to me, overall, hardly worth the price of admission...

But as my other thread elsewhere states, it DOES get lonely sometimes. Like I said I'm sort of new at this, but an instant convert. See, I think it sucks at the same time for many of us, especially in cases like the guy above...because you are raised to believe that special someone is out there for you, that you will get married and live happily ever after; just like those OLD couples you see together. BOTH of my parents wanted me to get married, to have kids, I think they almost expected it....and they are shocked that it has not, and probably will never happen...unless a nasty divorce comes on its heels. My parents were products of a better age, when people got together, they STAYED together...so when I tell them what its like out in the Matrix they are dumbfounded and perplexed. They keep telling me shit like "you're being too negative, you just haven't met the right girl yet.." Oh yeah? Well I'm 32, according to statistics if I haven't married by the time I'm 35, I probably never will, so that window is closing. And what right girl? The one that will cheat on me when she gets bored with a STEADY relationship, as though that were a bad thing? Or the one that has had 8-12 sexual partners by the time I meet her? Or the one that has 3 kids? LOVING SINGLE MOTHER LOOKING FOR MR. RIGHT....yeah keep looking.

But the point I'm trying to make is, this is a bitter pill to swallow, really. Can any of you honestly say that, before you went down the Rabbit Hole, woke up to the TRUTH, that you DIDN'T EVER want to get married at some point? I know I did. My best friend seems to think so highly of my sexual exploits for some reason, though I think they are SHIT, because its never what I wanted....he asked me........if your first girlfriend had stayed with you, the one you lost your virginity to, would you have wanted to marry her and be with the same girl for the rest of your life? The answer is YES. I wanted monogamy. To hell with conquests, they brought more pain than good, because I wanted the former and not the latter. I guess I was never the Alpha male, who uses and discards them, I TRIED to be for awhile....and that made me even MORE bitter.

I wanted love. Wanted to get married. Wanted to have children, raise a family TOGETHER. I wanted my wife and I to see my KIDS get married.

But indeed, I have woken up in the Matrix, and I realize that this is an impossible dream. I was born centuries too late to have a loving wife and a happy family.

The Buddhist in me knows that all things are impermanent, that this is but passing phenomena, all of it.......and that keeps me free, keeps me going, and usually keeps a smile on myself. My first love is God.

Nevertheless, it does make me bitter sometimes, this bullshit nightmare we live in. I am happy and proud to have discovered this movement, it adds such a degree of fullfillment to my life to know that I am not alone, going my own way....yet one cannot help but stare out into the Matrix from time to time, and frown in disgust wondering what could have, indeed, what SHOULD have been...

Christopher in Oregon writes

Marcus;

Buddhist Christian, eh? Sounds interesting. I still spout Christianity from time to time (bad habit), yet I see the draw in eastern religions. I have several beautiful Buddha statues adorning my home, and I've never figured out why. I just like them, and they make me feel good.

I can say in all honesty I've never wanted to get married. I was raised a Mormon, a religion that is just plain nuts about marriage, and yet I never bought into it. A lot of the credit goes to my parents who warned me away from marriage and women, but still, I've never wanted to "settle down" and have a wife and kids.

Especially kids. I've never cared for kids, even when I was a kid. Still don't like the little snot-machines. I have no paternal urges in the slightest. Children are nasty, smelly, rude and in constant need of a spanking.

Ick.

Women aren't any better.

I started riding motorcycles when I was sixteen, and for some strange reason, I was always more interested in riding than I was in girls. I never really dated, and never really had a girlfriend. It wasn't for lack of opportunity. Fooled around a few times, but the whole thing, both sex and women, never really got my motor running. Now, a Kawasaki KLR 650 will get my testosterone boiling like nothing else. Plan to have one some day if my wife will let me.

Heheh .

Christopher in Oregon

Dogwild writes

Women are like many things -- potentially wonderful and potentially destructive. Men have always developed ways to enjoy wonderful things while limiting their destructiveness.

The problem with women is their is no way to limit their destructiveness. Men have zero control over women, and women have no restraints on their behavior.

I think men want to control their environments. There is nothing sinister about this. The word "controlling" is an unfair insult. The very nature of manhood is controlling one's environment.

Again, though, there is no controlling of women. An individual man cannot control a woman. Any effort to exert any control is "abusive." Society certainly doesn't control women.

This is a new phenomena. Women historically have always been controlled by social pressures and by the men in their lives. Again, this is not necessarily sinister control. The control has usually been largely constructive. Women are no longer controlled.

The lack of control has gotten to the point that a woman can literally shoot you in the head and probably get away with it by feigning status as an "abused woman." She certainly can throw your life into a turmoil at any time for no reason at all if you intertwine your life with her.

The bottom line is that society needs to figure out how to control women. Until society does this, men cannot safely deal with women. A woman is a man's biggest danger.

Mr reality writes

Good points. I have no desire to control a woman anymore. Except when I am in the bed with her. Then again I am just as likely to let her have her way with me. As long as she is not into anything insane. "Crazy" I can deal with.

I think it is better this way. The only thing I have a problem with is how the system (which women are a part of) tries hard to exert control over me. As one can see from my posts; I am NOT the one to be controlled by anyone or anything. I mind my business and do as I please. The only difference between women and myself is I have morals and would never do anything to anyone else that I would not wish done to me. I treat those who treat me with respect with equal respect. Women have no such standards.

Zon writes

Women have historically always been the most efficient controllers of women with the men setting the parameters.

As we look around our former land of the free and home of the brave, we will notice that we are no longer free and the brave souls have turned to Ghosts. How can a man be brave if he can have his life destroyed by a woman for looking at her the wrong way? We no longer need to say or do anything in order to have someone feel threatened and have us tarred & feathered.

How was it that our society functioned quite well prior to having thousands of “New Laws” put on the books every year? It has become so amazingly complex that the lawmakers themselves do not even read what the hell it is that they are signing into law and most of them are attorneys themselves. Hitler or any other tyrant throughout history would have creamed himself if he could have had half the laws that we currently have. Plus, our modern elite have the added bonus of all the high tech gadgetry to control and monitor societies and any uprisings that escape their societal sedatives. My friends, they have super advanced hi-tech weaponry that we do not even know about, that is at least 50 years advanced beyond the toys we know about today! Imagine our technology today compared to 1959 and this should give you a good idea where they are now and their exponential growth into the future.

Yes, it is a Fact...We are living in a very sick society which is becoming more psychotic by the month. All the parameters and support structures have been systematically and maliciously removed to destroy the men and therefore obliterate the family bond. Good has become evil and evil has become good!

Remember the so called fun loving 60's? Do NOT trust anyone over 30...Free-Love/Sex...Dress like a slug/slut...blow your mind...Take a Trip>>>"Turn on, tune in, drop out" coined by Timothy Leary.

The elite diligently peeled back all the cohesive structures that allowed men, women, children and families to bond. Was it perfect or a utopia? NO, but it worked and functioned quite well to allow society and civilization to advance for millenniums.

I am 45 years of age and remember becoming very irate with all the discoveries that I was making in the rabbit hole when I entered at 23 years of age…I thought things were bad back then. WOW, looking back in retrospect, it was like the Golden Age. Imagine how Irlandes must see things with the few more years of changes that he has experienced. That man has seen society go from highly functional to frighteningly dysfunctional in a few short years…Now wonder he got the hell out.

Do you think the author of A Brave New World back in 1931, Aldous Huxley, knew where he and his comrades were going to be taking society for the next millennium (our present day and into the future)? They knew all of this back in the 1500’s. Much of what we are experiencing and will experience was laid out back then….I do not mean a psychic or Nostradamus, but the elite themselves, in their own writings of the period.

Welcome to the “New Normal”. A Brave New World…

Williemolson writes

Interesting thread guys. I just want to add my .02 to this discussion. I am fortunate. I've remained in a relationship with the same woman for more than 31 years. There are some caveats though. I've never married her. There are no children. She is from a two parent family and likes men. And, also, she was born prefeminism and is older than I am. I also put her through some tests over the years. When I didn't have an apartment but lived in a dormitory type of situation, she still visited me regularly. She lent me money for graduate school. When I broke my ankle, she let me stay at her place so I wouldn't have to climb stairs and took care of me. Because of all she has done for me, I've arranged my affairs so that, should I pass before her, she will have the financial resources to be comfortable for the rest of her life.

Even though I love her for her companionship though, there are still times I have to be away from her for the peace, quiet, and tranquility that being alone often provides me. You see, I too am an only child, and when I was young I had medical problems as well. This spawned an introspected view of life, a life where thinking and reading were very pleasurable for me. Additionally, I just don't believe most good men need as much social interaction as women, particularly interactions that are filled more with busyness than genuine communication or the furtherance of personal self-efficacy.

Keep up the interesting posts guys. The wisdom that I've gleaned from my brothers on some of these MRA forums has been priceless.

Henryviii writes

That's what I've always said, even before I found boards like this. There are no constraints on female behavior. They certainly dont police themselves. There is never any real threat of violence from other women if they step out of line.

With men, at least we know that if a certain line is crossed, a physical altercation may result. With women, this isnt much of a threat, and there is no threat whatsoever when it comes to emotional/social actions they take against men.

So women have become low down, dirty, and evil with no respect, love or caring for anyone.

Rough Guide to Single Moms Index

2010-04-11T12:37:00.002-07:00

Thread at Happy Bachelors Forum

Part 1

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Rough Guide to Single Moms Part 5

2010-04-11T12:37:00.001-07:00

Superbad writes

thanks migs! did you like ice cream as a kid? i sure did. i wanted to eat it everyday. but notice, now that we're older... and COULD buy it everyday... how often do we? yet we still love it. IMO this is how women view sex. when young they are hungry for it and have it every chance they get. later, many become apathetic: they know it's in the fridge... it's not a priority. what is is MONEY, plus tons of idiotic things that i care nothing about. when i see women in their 30's and 40's being seductive, i think "BITCH". their day in the sun is OVER. they may look great, smell great, act hungry (after blowing off every man on earth in their quest for prince charming)... but i know the truth... they're just another bitch.

Abasio writes

Dating a single Mom? Never even crossed my mind....I used to think I was shitty when a woman told me she had kids and I would run for the hills but after realising what has been summarised here I was just glad my hatred of kids has saved me from a life of hell no doubt.

Thinking single moms are an easy lay can get some men trapped, best steer well clear of them ripped open bucket vaginas you could stick your head up.

They can be fun though, to play with. When they attempt to ensnare you but you know what they're up to. Say little things like how much you love kids, how you have more than enough money at the moment and your own house and see their eyes light up, then tell them you could never raise anyone else kids as your own and see their illusions/dreams come crashing down.

Oh the simple things in life.

Jamesbond writes

Statistics show single mothers are more likely to raise kids who wind up in prison, become alcoholics, become drug addicts and wind up being single parents themselves. Kids raised by single mothers are more likely to drop out of school and more likely to attempt suicide.

Now I know why so many guys say, AVOID SINGLE MOTHERS LIKE THE PLAGUE!

Toysarefun writes

First thing you notice is when a single girl says her kids come first. I always laugh when I read that because you know what type she's attracted to. As a kid, I came last and I'm glad I did. I'm glad I had to entertain myself, fend for myself, make my own friends, earn my own money, fight my own battles, etc.

The truth is, if your relationships are not successful, your kids will not be successful, if the girl is not willing to work on herself, or her relationship with you, then her kids will end up running your life, and you know .. more and more women are perfectly happy with that kind of situation, and it's becoming the norm.

Marcus Aurelius writes

Avoid single moms? HOW? They are EVERYWHERE!!! If I go to the mall, I will see a single mom. If I go to the coffee shop I will see a single mom. If I go to work, I will overhear single moms talking to each other about being single moms, trading single mom tips. If I dine out, it will be a single mom waiting on my table. If I go to the bar to have a drink the bartender will talk to me about being a single mom. If I go to the grocery store, I see more single moms with their kids than I do a FAMILY. If I go on a dating website, I will see more single moms than women WITHOUT kids. It's networking for moms who can't go clubbing to pick up trash. If I look under my couch, I will probably find a single mom.

I SERIOUSLY believe, and assume, when I see, or meet any woman that appears over the age of 25 without a ring on her finger and is an ameriskank that she is probably a single mom. I think the dating pool for AFC suckers, manginas, is probably 60% or more single mothers. If I were seriously to go looking for an ameriskank to have a serious relationship with (never happen again), I would seriously be utterly amazed if I found a woman my age or just slightly younger or older (32) that WASN'T a single mom.

You mean you're NOT a single mother? What is WRONG with you? You should have AT LEAST 2 bastard kids by now!!!

I posted this

Here is Mirror of the Soul's take on this issue.

http://mirrorofthesoul.blogspot.com/2007_04_01_archive.html

Woman has two opposing forces in her drive to reproduce. She finds Bad Boy exciting and worthy of siring her children, but he is too irresponsible to raise them. So she finds boring Nice Guy to raise them. If Nice Guy is a suitable economic slave, she might produce one child for him, but usually Nice Guy raises Bad Boy's kids and Nice Guy's genes get forgotten.

Bad Boy is the wrong person for the woman to "fall in love" with, but he is the right person to produce thriving children. So once she has them, she dumps irresponsible Bad Boy and goes looking for Nice Guy while wondering why she fell in love with the wrong man.

This is why any man with pride and self respect will never stoop so low as to raise another man's children.

Like drugs, Just Say NO To Single Moms, you're DNA will thank you.

http://mirrorofthesoul.blogspot.com/2006_05_01_archive.html

Another Young Man's Life Flushed Down The Matriarchy

I warned him. I gave him the lecture about dating single moms, yet he failed to listen to me, he looked at me as an "old fart", "a misogynist","a weirdo", or whatever. Now, this young man has been charged with domestic violence - a felony - from this single mom who he was banging and shacking up with. Once again, NEVER DATE A SINGLE MOM, AND NEVER SHACK UP WITH ONE. Interestingly, as this young man's life is destroyed, this absolute bullshit of a book comes out in praise of dating and having sex with single moms: Sex And The Single Mom

Rough Guide to Single Moms Part 4

2010-04-11T12:36:00.000-07:00

Mobrules writes

With the talk of children I'd also like to add another point to the list. If you're a single man with no children, and a goal of yours is to one day have children, if you're like me and are very "selfish" as women say, you want to share the experience of your first born with the mother of your child. I felt so robbed while I was in a relationship with my ex. No need to be raising someone else’s children. She won't go through what it's like to have a first born because she already went through it without you.

Analyzing writes

You’re right mobrules

Superbad writes

thank you analyzing, migs, and uncommonsense! true migs, i need one because here in my mid-40's i still do not want kids. i have nieces and nephews. i agree mobrules: if i wanted kids they would be with a woman like the type found in the Philippines... not some washed-up American with kids. the world is FULL of women who want you, me, and every other guy on this board... they just don't happen to live here.

Sjenner writes

true- just work like mad, save, avoid American skanks and IF you want a wife or family, move to Phillipines or non-feminist country!

Superbad writes

thanks irlandes

society pushes morals to stop young people from engaging in sex. young women are often idealistic and seek a life partner. curiosity and love then leads to a sexually active phase. strong women may get dumped but remain in this phase. most do not and enter a wild immoral phase wherein sex is their goal and it is dispensed freely. eventually they burnout and feel used. some revert back but most enter a power phase, viewing their p*ssy as a lotto ticket. women who prided their looks often suffer an emotional blow as they age. some see "cougars" as predators; often they are just old ladies with demolished self esteem... back to giving it away for free to boost their egos.

our society lives in a coma. everything we were taught about marriage is now a lie, a fallacy, a brainwashing. DO NOT marry or procreate. imagine explaining to an alien why us men, the stronger sex, would tie ourselves MENTALLY and LEGALLY to a woman. when our drive is to bed several. when they become controlling, nagging, demanding as their looks deteriorate and our power GROWS. try explaining the cost of sex in terms of wild girls or willing cougars as opposed to the endless money pit of fine dining, gifts, beach vacations, engagement ring, wedding, mortgage, SUV, kids, college tuition, YOUR TIME. our fate was to WAKE UP; unfortunately we have woken to much insanity.

Sjenner writes

superbad- you nailed it right on the head. After 20 years of lies by people (especially women!)
constantly telling me not to worry and that I would find the one, I gave up and became a bachelor for life. At least until I expat outside of the Anglosphere. I am actually glad after witnessing the destruction of many men's lives by marriage and divorce.

Irlandes writes

I married a single mom, over 34 years ago. To date, her daughter is the best thing that ever happened to me in my life. I said the daughter, I didn't say her. Sorry, but I pride truth over chivalry.

Also, over those 34+ years, I have encountered exactly ZERO other men who could say the same thing, and this included the 1600+ estimated divorced men to whom I supplied free counseling services.

Almost everything DM says happened to these poor wretches. Men would support their step-kids, and when the child support check came, Cupcake viewed that as her personal money. False sex abuse charges. Kids who hate their step-dad. Kids who go to jail.

(Note my best friend in the US married a widowed mom with multi-racial kids. Yep, jail.)

Oh, the big one. I noted that every case where the step-dad adopted his step-kid(s) Cupcake filed for divorce and he had to pay child support. I theorize this may not be nation-wide, or may have been a statistical quirk, but among the ones I noted it was 100%.

So, as much as I love(d) my daughter, I declined the honor of adopting her as actually I wanted to do because I didn't want to lose her. We had a discussion and she agreed we didn't need no stinkin' judge to make us father and daughter. I remember the day we decreed we were father and daughter, a very good day for me. And, for her.

Once, my wife commented that I really wasn't her father, and she, the girl, looked like she had been hit in the stomach.

I told her husband last year that some years ago she said she'd have run away from home if it weren't for me. He said she had told him the same thing. I laughed, and told him she may not realize that if it hadn't been for her, I also would have run away from home.

Amazingly, my wife has turned into super Mother-in-law. Seriously. Totally amazing. Never criticizes them, never interferes, supportive, always ready to take care of the child. Unbelievable. I expected her to be the MIL from Hell.

Now, if you are thinking of hanging with single moms, do some heavy thinking. Do you think the experience is going to be like mine, the best thing that ever happened to you? Or, like every other man I know? Good luck, man. Don't blame me when your life is in ruins, just as DM shows in his videos, if you think it will be like my experience.

Junior writes

This is a great post and it really helped me with recent events.

I went to Dallas a few weeks back and the women just seemed really friendly and in really good shape and feminine (I live in Los Angeles where they are very bitchy to say the least).

Anyway, I met a couple of women there. One of them was smokin’ so I stopped her at a club and we spoke for about 10-15 minutes (of course she's a stripper with a 2 yr old). She was doing a promotion and I was heading to another club so we missed each other that night… We tried hooking up over the rest of the weekend but I already locked it in with another girl.

She wanted to meet me Sunday, but I told her that I met another girl. Well, the stripper ends up going to the same place where we are at and was trying to get my eye. So, I again told her that I with this girl and we should talk later. She was cool with it, but I could tell she was jealous.

I come back to LA and she's called me almost every day since. So I'm thinking, shit, I just talked to her for 15 minutes at a club....why is she blowing-up my phone all the time? I think to myself "girls are really friendly in TX" and (narcissistically), "maybe I have some sweet game". Alas, after reading this post, I know what's really up. She sooooooo nice and sweet me because I’m her ticket out of her mess….

I head back to TX in a few weeks to play with her, but I will be super cautious thanks to this post. Condom, then flush it down the toilet personally.

This might have been mentioned in another post, but what if you finish in a girl's mouth? Is there a chance of her going to the bathroom and try to get pregnant with it?

Thanks for helpful info. Exaltations.

Mrreality writes

Actually the initial post is not entirely correct. The truth of the matter is that nowadays more than ever "single moms are being told to focus on their 'careers and school' rather than men." So I have to kind of laugh at men denying the facts here. Women put their careers before men in the anglosphere everyday. Women work, go to school, etc. They just treat men badly.

Now here's the clincher: What makes women pathetic is they fail to realize that "working for someone" does not bring the freedom or security they seek. Most people find that out when they get fired. What makes single moms so unattractive is their lack of character , inability to learn from their mistakes (most go from job to job, man to man doing the same stale shit), and "used" status. Most have no morals, which is why they have children out of wedlock (with no father), and most have slept with dozens of men. Their relying on school is also a joke as all that does is train women to go beg for jobs from corporations, etc.

What women are selling themselves as "freedom" is really nothing more than a specific profession on the American plantation. Women love the matrix and put their whole lives into this illusion of happiness. Until they get old and can no longer fake it. At times the men here seem caught up in materialism as well. I kind of feel like I am talking to women at times. Its like you're competing with women over these worthless things. Why?

Why have you ALLOWED women to anger you so much? Why are you stuck on them? Why will you not free your mind as I have told you? Until you do you will be making fallacious statements, getting angry at women, and posting rants here about them.

FREE...YOUR...MIND...

None of this shit matters. None of it...and soon the USA will be a third world country and the illusion you cherish will be gone.

Zon writes
How right you are, MrReality!

The Band STYX from the 70's had it correct with their tune The Grand Illusion:

Written by Dennis DeYoung
Lead Vocals by Dennis DeYoung

Welcome to the Grand illusion
Come on in and see what's happening
Pay the price, get your tickets for the show
The stage is set, the band starts playing
Suddenly your heart is pounding
Wishing secretly you were a star.

But don't be fooled by the radio
The TV or the magazines
They show you photographs of how your life should be
But they're just someone else's fantasy
So if you think your life is complete confusion
Because you never win the game
Just remember that it's a Grand illusion
And deep inside we're all the same.
We're all the same...

So if you think your life is complete confusion
Because your neighbors got it made
Just remember that it's a Grand illusion
And deep inside we're all the same.
We're all the same...

America spells competition, join us in our blind ambition
Get yourself a brand new motor car
Someday soon we'll stop to ponder what on Earth's this spell we're under
We made the grade and still we wonder who the hell we are

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

People are caught up on depreciating items that they willingly allow to control their lives. As MrReality mentioned: "None of this shit matters".

Now the media is attempting to emboss into the male psyche that FAT Women and Single Mothers are a prize for us males, worthy of our attention and future labor. They are now bold enough to try and go against nature and our hard wiring...WTF?

As Irlande has stated, I too have never seen anything good come out of a man’s relationship with a single mother. The ones I have had the displeasure of being exposed to (through my friends that were involved with them) were absolutely NASTY people. I have never been married, nor ever will, but I have always had the sense to stay away from these trollops, along with the Fatties & Fuglies.

The next time you guys are out and about, observe the interactions between couples. Over 90% of the time the chick is a controlling bitch…Watch her facial expressions. This is particularly true with women in their 30’s - 50’s. Next, notice all the BIG BROADS with the slim guys. The majority of these guys are extremely effeminate...This observation crosses all age groups. Notice how the guy is meek and quit while the chick is boisterous and obnoxious.

Again, I ask myself, what the hell are these guys thinking? Are they that desperate for a pussy that they will tolerate these beasts? The answer is a resounding yes! The poor saps have been indoctrinated by the Matrix, to perpetuate the Matrix, and to relinquish their conscious mind to allow the Matrix to give them nicely packaged truths in order to keep them in the Matrix, where they can Police others within the Matrix with their PC Psycho-Babble.

As MrReality so eloquently states it: “Free Your Mind”!

It is difficult enough to deal with a childless woman, why would any sane man want to complicate his life and take on more baggage than O’Hare Airport? A simple Risk/Reward analysis would quickly dictate the situation as a NO GO!

Migs writes

tremendous wisdom, superbad. Our fate was to wake up and see the insanity. I wouldn't have it any other way though. If you were asked if you would prefer sight, vision and critical thought to the alternative, how would you choose? How many of us who have been in relationships with women have developed selective hearing loss (filtering) because we couldn't stand listening to the nonsensical babble (celebrities, ect., ect.)? We have woken up and are forging a path away, offering only truth to any man who looks for it.

Rough Guide to Single Moms Part 3

2010-04-11T12:34:00.002-07:00

Sjenner writes

I have one phrase for almost all single mothers: DP or Dirty Pussy! Just say no to toxic waste!
Most are used up cum dumpster sewers. Who wants sloppy seconds anyways?

Mobrules writes

Having dealt with several single mothers (only dated one) I say watch for the offers of sex. Single mothers target sexless men with a future ahead of them. They'll subtly offer it with innuendos and double entrendes. Others are more crude and offer it upfront. You have to know there is an ulterior motive if she "likes" you right away to have sex with you. Since so many men are sex starved, an offer of a steady stream of pussy may be a hard bargain to pass up. Unfortunately like the guide says, eventually things will change. You'll get less sex and/or she may give it to a "superior quality" man. Single moms will ALWAYS look for the bigger better deal. They will never get out of WHORE MODE because she wants a good future, primarily for herself and then her kid(s) after her. Men who are on to those females' game use them and then cheat on them and leave. Sadly I regret not doing this with my ex, that is leaving her for another woman. I don't condone cheating but most single moms cheat anyways, so I see where some men will bring the hammer down and pay them back in return.

Sjenner writes

mobrules- you are 100% correct with regard to these used up cum dumpsters. Just think of them as toxic sewage to avoid and you are fine.

Irlandes writes

>>Single moms will ALWAYS look for the bigger better deal.

This is not a figure of speech. The same tendency to follow the emotion of the moment which got them into single mom status, will continue to run their lives. Leopards do not change their spots.

I have said there might be some exceptions in rural Mexico. I call it Type I unwed mother, a woman who let her fiance anticipate the promised wedding, as women have always done, but he dumps her as sort of a manhood thing. The problem is they all say that is what happened, so you gotta' be really careful, and any doubt says run.

Henryviii writes

Yeah. I used to know one guy who has two underage children whose wife left him, but he doesnt pay child support. His ex-wife remarried immediately and her new husband adopted the kids. So after she left the new husband, this one had to pay child support for kids that werent even his. And he wasnt even with them that long. They were well over 12 years old.

Why do you think Colombianas might be better than Mejicanas? I have read that Colombian women also know how to get out of US marriages. Lots of gringos down there been dumped by them too, once the woman got here.

Irlandes writes

It is hard to get good numbers. One law firm which specialized in marriages to Colombianas said the divorce rate of their clients was very, very low.

A reminder that I personally do not think it is a good idea to import a FW to the Anglosphere. The odds are lower of ruin, but it still happens.

Yet under MGTOW some men will.

My point is enough Mexican women have been spoiled and will bite the hand which feeds them if they get their papers I can't recommend them as I would have done 30 years ago for an imported wife.

Superbad writes

men want sex. women want sex plus HUNDREDS of other things. relationships will NEVER be "fair" due to this. men need remember two big rules. marriage is not spiritual, it is a contract that gives a woman HALF of your shit. many women have TRIED to pressure me into marriage. i simply say NO. their only recourse is to LEAVE... which after "x" years... is EXACTLY what i want! hot women can find another guy FAST... totally letting you off the hook. let them ruin someone else's life and finances. rule number one: DO NOT MARRY.

the second rule: DO NOT HAVE KIDS. if you accidentally have a child it will cost you $100,000+, not including your time. if you have a vasectomy, don't tell women and date as YOUNG as possible. condoms are required still for STD protection. if you DON'T have a vasectomy, you CANNOT rely on condoms or women. women often LIE about birth control or are just too STUPID to use them properly. IMO this is where women who CANNOT get pregnant are an option for sex. these women are often older and DO have grown children.

single moms are TROUBLE. they screwed around, got pregnant and WILL do it again. they want child support. you can assume that any woman who is not on a form of birth control wants to have a child. i dated this German girl who could not stand children and trust me she was on the pill, inspecting every condom, preferred oral, etc. women who do not want kids are JUST like us... paranoid! however, IF you have a vasectomy those single moms are EASY. IF not, women who CANNOT physically get pregnant are viable sex options.

Migs writes

Superbad

As truthful and accurate as anything I've ever read, and I should know. I'll just add in my 2 cents: Get a vasectomy, because these women are huge traps. I don't care if she comes off as the sweetest, most wonderful person to enter your life, don't believe it for an instant. I promise you that she will become your worst nightmare and greatest enemy, and she will use the considerable resources of the government to bleed you dry. Would you volunteer for such a nightmare? Of course not! So, don't! Here is a representation of the progression of events.
expect to stay in that last position for many years.

Uncoomonsense writes

Great stuff superbad, exaltations! This ought to be placed somewhere in the Bible.

On a related note, somone on MarkyMark's blog posted this link:
http://www.alternet.org/reproductivejust.... ving_children/

Fatherhood is something that has really never been that appealling to me...and over the years, I've realized that having kids, just like getting married, yields few if any tangible rewards and is extremely costly in terms of money, time, and energy.

Rough Guide to Single Moms Part 2

2010-04-11T12:34:00.001-07:00

Evergreen writes

Basically its best not to marry or live with sloppy seconds. If a man is horny and desperate for sex with a single mom, then just go in and out. Catch and release.

Browntown writes

And with a vasectomy, it's even better knowing that you won't be giving her an annuity hehe....

Superbad writes

bravo, great article! 2/3 of POF is single moms... mostly TRASH. i could NEVER hand over a credit card to a woman. imagine dating someone with 3 kids: paying for FIVE meals out to dinner... FVCK THAT LOL.

Mobrules writes

This article changed my life forever. It should be made a sticky again. Seriously.

Irlandes writes

In the 80's, and 90's, I was a militant FRA/MRA. I worked with a guy who was extremely hostile, always telling me how badly women had it, and here I was making it worse for the poor dearies. He was, ahem, a step dad for three kids. A perfect candidate for conversion.

Eventually, he became almost as militant as I was. What got his attention was when I told him how c/s, supposed to be for the kids, was instead Mom's money. When his wife was laid off, when the c/s check came, instead of giving him the money to help out, because of course, he was paying all her kids' expenses, she grabbed that money and hit the mall to buy junk for herself. Then, when they went to the supermarket, he paid for everything.

Oh, I must tell you the rest of the story. One of these evil, vicious, little brats whose expenses he was paying, filed a false sex abuse charge against him when he cussed her out for coming home late. The next day she was living with her dad. This was in the late 80's, so this nonsense is not new.

She called the sheriff and with the help of two daughters of DV center man-haters told them he had done something not allowed, I forget exactly what. The deputies knew immediately it was a lie, but his wife agreed she had to go with her own dad.

Quite a few years later, he discovered those two daughters of DV center man-haters had both married ghetto bums, and were regularly getting the crap beat out of them. You could hear his rebel yell all over the building.

When the step-daughter got tossed out, he told her she could not come back to the house, until she wrote an op-ed publicly apologizing. Quite a few years later, she did, and she was allowed to visit them again.

B. did stick with him, I believe they have been together over 30 years and are retired. But, please remember that AW are not the same as they were 30 years ago.

Even if you hear a single/divorced mom success story, which is possible as rare as they are -- my story is one of them -- it is easier to win a 50 million dollar lottery than to have a successful step-dad marriage. There are too many good women in the world, and as scary as expatting might be, it is less work to move to another country than to marry a single/divorced mom.

My story was different, but with all the counseling of divorced men I did, I never once encountered personally another success story with step-kids.

In fact, the worst thing I saw men do was adopt those nasty little darlings. Of the men I personally knew, who did that, 100% of them eventually got tossed out, and ended up paying c/s as the adoptive father. It was like clockwork.

In fact, even though I do not recommend it either, if you absolutely gotta' harm yourself, import a FW, more likely Colombiana than Mexican, rather than marry a mom. It is still dangerous, but there are improved odds compared to marrying an AW.

Better yet, paint concentric circles on your chest, and then walk into an ethnic bar and shout racial insults. It will at least be a rather quick and relatively painless death, and will be no less deserved than what happens to men who marry moms.

Arcangel911 writes

Ya, had I known this tid bit a year or so ago, would have saved me a whole lot of time and energy wasted on a single mom....

Irlandes writes
As long as you didn't marry her, or make a baby with her, arcangel, better late than never. It could have been worse.

And, not to be gross, but if you got some good stuff while it lasted, that is also better than nothing.

But, it is written, "Go and sin no more."

Sjenner writes

I have banged tons of hot single mothers in years past since they are sluts and I always wore a condom and just hit it and quit it. However, it really is not worth the effort. As for meals, I would make a massive pot of rice for $1 and add soy sauce and chop up some stir fried vegetables and a piece of meat. Or make tortillas, beans, salsa and rice. Total cost to feed the slut and her rugrats- $5. Thats how Asians and Mexicans feed massive families for dirt cheap. However, now, I avoid the skanks online. I am headed down to South America soon to enjoy the warm weather and hot latinas.

5314 writes

Very well written.

I think though that most of the things you mention apply to relationships with all women not just relationships with single moms.

Even if you are biological dad, for example, you can still be "uninvited" from the family at any time. She controls who is present, and her decision supersedes everybody else's wishes both your wishes and the wishes of the children.

As another example, it may be awkward being around bio dad at family events if you are step dad, but it is equally awkward being around step dad if you are bio dad.

I guess my point is you are screwed no matter whether you are step dad or bio dad.

Revolutionman writes

My mom was a single mom of two when my father met her. Having a kid of his own with her made things easier i suspect, but he didn't have a good relationship with my sisters until they moved out and started families of their own, and came to understand the sort of sacrifice it takes to raise children, much more, some one elses children.

Rough Guide to Single Moms Part 1

2010-04-11T12:33:00.000-07:00

Written by ZenKing. Reposted in this Happy Bachelor Forum page for everyone to read.

I thought I would set down a “rough guide” for men thinking about starting a relationship with a single mom and what some of the ramifications are of dating and entering into a deeper relationship with a single mom could be. Of course this guide does not apply to all women or all men but it will list the main problems I have observed through over the years.

Contrary to popular media-myth I have yet to meet a single mom who was career driven, carefree, balanced, happy; doing it all type gal as often portrayed in most media outlets. The reality I have seen over the years is usually a stressed out, overworked, debt stricken woman who really had no idea children cost so much in time, effort and money. Their careers are on hold as they need to balance their child with sickness, school activities etc… versus moving up whatever career ladder they are on. Most single moms are raising their children with help of an extended family member (usually their mom), a bevy of friends and other single moms they find in support groups. It is usually not a pretty picture at all.

Somewhere along the way, usually quite quickly they come up with the idea that they need a “partner” to help them in their new enterprise of having a child and the sooner they can get one the better. Realizing they have a bit of a disadvantage with having a child and being in the dating scene they resort to several well known strategies to get a partner.

One of the first strategies is to engage men who do not have children of their own. This allows the woman to portray the semblance of having and raising a kid is easy and there will always be a balance between their relationship with their partner and their child. Sometimes they will portray themselves as helpless victims, victimized by an evil and absent father – they need saving and you can save them. Another popular scheme is to make themselves look accomplished and together by extending their debt to ridiculous levels to portray they are all right and don’t really need a partner. There are quite a few more, but like I said, this is a rough guide.

One of the strategies is to involve the child with the prospective “partner” almost right away and foster a relationship between the man and her child. This allows a lot of leverage on several levels as time goes by. It allows for huge amount of guilt and shame if the man wants to break off the relationship, allows a bonding to take place that is hard to shuck off and other factors… You will hear phrases such as “any man who loves me must love my children!” etc…All designed to appeal to a mans sense of chivalry and protection. This hopefully facilitates a sense of belonging together and in the end marriage.

Most single men are unaware of what is going on when they start to date a single mom. It seems that the child is around, but it is pleasant, there is a clear distinction between adult and child time etc… it seems actually for most men, not a bad time at all. This allows the single mom to get the man closer and farther into the relationship.
What is really going on is a shit-load of help from the single moms friends and other helpers. Tons of babysitting services, tips on dating, comparing notes and plans etc… No matter what you see as a man there is something else going on – do not forget that. Her plan is to eventually get a partner one way or another. You are the prize and she is going to earn it.

One trait that seems to come to the forefront with most men who are dating single moms is just how wonderful a woman they really are. Most men cannot for the life of them figure out why another man would abandon a woman like her. It has been stated hat single moms are more caring, compassionate, great lovers, excellent cooks, laugh at all your jokes etc…they seem to be ideal mates.

What is actually going on is well planned and orchestrated strategies to get a man into a relationship. I don’t know how many men have loudly complained that after marriage they were suddenly now doing most of the cooking, cleaning, and repairing around the house with zero time like they had before. I don’t know how many have said it was like night and day after they moved in. The kind compassionate woman the men met had some how now been replaced by a truly different woman, it was like another personality type than the one they married. In short a single mom knows she has to work harder to get a man and she will work harder, but for many the act cannot last that long and the real woman reveals herself. Usually his occurs just after marriage.

A lot of men though go for it and involve themselves in marriage with a single mom and do not really know some of the problems they will encounter. Here is a short list of several common problems that begin to creep up:

1. Being a “partner” means you get to pay for half- if not more. I have noticed after marriage a single mom works at dizzying speed to make sure her mans name is on all of the bills. She also will usually demand money also for a huge amount of her child’s expenses. It is also expressed as a part of “loving her and showing it”. I have seen men putting money away for college for a kid that’s not his. Buying ridiculous amounts of brand name clothes, expensive homes etc… all in an effort to be in a so-called “family”.

2. The Family you just got into is by invitation only. In most traditional marriages that produce children, the man, woman and child or children make up he basic family unit. In being a step- parent you are not the basic unit. The mother and child together are the basic unit. You are invited in and can be un-invited whenever mom feels it to be so. No matter what is said or mentioned before marriage, you will never come before her child. You will always be in a family and relationship where you come second, maybe third.

3. No matter what you think… her ex is going to be there forever. In just about every case the child’s father does not seem to be in the picture during the dating and courtship stage but seems to suddenly show up after. The reality is he was always there, your partner just never mentioned it…. The father will most naturally want to have a relationship with his child and he is going to be quite involved most of the time. Just about every time you will be dragged into the endless bickering and fights they have and you will not be liked by him…its only natural remember… also be sure to take into account the grandparents, uncles and aunts and all the family functions you will be attending with him, his child, his ex (your partner) and his side of the family. Get used to being uncomfortable.

4. Her kid will most likely not like you very much. Let’s face it you’re sleeping with their mom and most of the time the child will see you as a roadblock to his parents getting back together. Most likely the mom has made you the giver of discipline in the relationship, being the man and all…which results in the kid hating you. Or after watching the child run amok for weeks after you arrive you change juniors’ schedule to include some discipline and then you also hated even more. An amazing amount of men involved with single mothers report how the child hates them, but he can keep buying gifts to try to win their affection. Some call it the ATM effect of diminishing returns.

5. All that time you had together with your new love will end after marriage. The number one job of a single mom is simply to be a mom. She is not a party girl, hiker, camper, biker, clubber etc… Just be prepared for a frontal assault on your time and money after marriage. You will find your weekdays taken up with homework, PTA meetings, suppers at home, and early bed times. Weekends will be the time for the child’s extra-curricular activities and other activities. If a single man is wondering what happens ask any father of children how their time is spent, it will not be on hobbies. You will hear endlessly the phrase “we are a family now and this is what a family does” of course your idea on family will differ…but it is her family and she will make the choices.

6. You will wonder what happened to all your money. Most men involved with a single mom report that their money seems to dry up. Children are expensive- expensive like most men have no idea. Between school supplies, clothing, vast amounts of food, babysitters if you ever want to go out, medications, fees, sports, supplies, toys and such… well, there will be little left.
As a footnote there is also another ploy by some single moms that men also forget about. The child’s father is paying for a lot of these things. Quite a few men have reported that their wife or girlfriend was getting them to pay for such things as sport fees, equipment, university funds, school supplies and such but at the same time getting the child’s father to pay for these things also. Double billing, also called fraud, is quite common but it does allow the single mom to have almost zero expenses for her child as two men are now paying for junior….
Another ploy that is quite horrific was a man whose wife owned a home and he moved in with her and her child. Although he fixed it up, paid half the mortgage and expenses- she had willed the home to her children. When confronted she said since she would be dead she did not care if he had a home or not, her child came first. So be careful with matters of money. Very careful.

7. You will never really be accepted. I have observed time and time again the heartbreak of a step parent as the child gets older. After putting them through school, providing a place to live, food, getting the child all kinds of gifts and honestly really caring about the child and such I keep hearing this one story over and over. The time comes for a grad or a wedding, the step parent thinks he might be lauded for his sacrifices but instead is shunted to a back seat or not invited as the child invites mom and dad to the party…and thanks them for all their love and work. Usually there is not even an acknowledgement of effort.

8. You will now be part of the single moms’ network. Be prepared to help out all her buddies as they helped her out. Endless weekends and nights of babysitting the other single moms kids so that they too may date and get a man. You will also discover why 75% of all people in jail come from single mother households. Try not to have any expensive items around…

9. Now that the single mom is now married she will need to impress her single mom friends with her new found happiness. Her happiness will usually include a new home in a good neighbourhood, new clothing, new items for the home, new car etc… there is an unwritten law it seems among a lot of single moms that they compete ruthlessly with their friends. If she does get married she needs to show them her new found prestige. Be prepared for huge new expenses.

10. You will have no time for errors. A lot of single men get involved with the single mom and her kids when the child is a bit older. Being inexperienced with children becomes a huge burden as the single man has no time to learn parenting skills…and mistakes are not readily forgiven nor forgotten when a kid is 4 compared to 14.

11. You may think it ends, but it never does. I know many men whose single mom wife promised them a completely different life after junior turned 18 or so. At the beginning of the relationship it looked like just a few years and then total privacy and freedom. Then years later they found out that junior is going to go to university for 6 years after taking a gap year off and not worry about a job as he will live at home. After that the story usually is that the child gets married and has kids and needs a ton of babysitting services. The dream of trips abroad, moving to a nicer place etc… evaporates for most men. They just wind up being early grandparents. The other option that happens a lot is the girls have children early and stay at home. Not only is the man taking care of his wife’s child he also has to care for her grandchild now!

12. You will have nothing to show for it. In the end when most men have their own children the work and effort is well worth it. The men did their best and raised a family, continued a line, get grandchildren…etc… As a step-parent you have contributed as much but you have nothing. Nobody carries on your name and most men realize they are not even ever thanked for their sacrifice.

13. The legalities can kill you. There have been numerous cases where a man has divorced or left a single mom and then found himself liable financially for her child. Although not the father he will be responsible for child payments, extra fees and most certainly university far after they are 18….check the laws out, it’s a raw deal. Couple that with some alimony and you get the whole effect of being a divorced and homeless dad with not one child of your own….
In the end women have asked for their freedom to make their own choices now for decades. I would advise all single men to let single moms make their choice of having a child by themselves and then live with it. Don’t involve yourself with these women under any circumstances. It can be in many ways, the death of a man.
Well it’s a rough guide and you were warned….

Divorce Industry Corruption Index

2010-04-11T11:03:00.000-07:00

Thread at Happy Bachelors Forum

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Divorce Industry Corruption Part 7

2010-04-11T11:02:00.002-07:00

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Excellent Article By Stephen Baskerville

If this article does not convince men in America not to marry, then they deserve everything they get in divorce court. Stephen sums up the whole rigged game of marriage in America.

Note the insight on family law:

Family law now allows mothers to walk away from marriages at any time and take the children with them. Not only is this permitted, it is encouraged and rewarded with financial incentives. Even more disturbing, in some cases, mothers are actually pressured by social service agencies into filing for a divorce that they don’t want. The Massachusetts News reported how Heidi Howard was ordered by the state’s Department of Social Services to divorce her husband Neil or lose her children, though DSS acknowledged he had not been violent. When she refused the social workers seized her children, including a newborn and attempted to terminate the Howards’ parental rights. News reporter Nev Moore says she has seen hundreds such cases.

Note the insight on the courts:

These bureaucratic courts [divorce/family courts] emerged in the 1960s and 1970s along with the divorce revolution. Their existence and virtually every problem they address – divorce, custody, child abuse, child support enforcement, even juvenile crime – depend upon one overriding principle: The removal of the father as head of the family. When parental authority functions properly, family courts have little reason to exist, since these problems seldom appear among intact families. While both fathers and mothers may fall afoul of family court judges, it is fathers against whom their enmity is largely directed, because fathers are their principal rivals.

Note the insight on judges and constitutional rights:

The judges’ contempt for both fathers and constitutional rights was openly expressed by New Jersey municipal court judge Richard Russell: "Your job is not to become concerned about the constitutional rights of the man that you’re violating," he told his colleagues at a judges’ training seminar in 1994. "Throw him out on the street, give him the clothes on his back and tell him, see ya around…. We don’t have to worry about the rights."

Note the insight on search and seizure:

Once the parent "loses custody," in the jargon of the court, he can be arrested for trying to see them outside of authorized times and places. He can be arrested for running into his children in a public place such as the zoo, sporting events, or church. Additionally, parents are routinely summoned to court for questioning about their private lives, which attorney Jed Abraham has characterized as an "interrogation." Their personal documents and homes must be surrendered to government officials without warrants. Their children are alienated with the backing of government officials and then are required to inform on them.

And summed up nicely:

The divorce industry has, in affect, rendered marriage a fraudulent contract.

Fraudulent contract, Amen to that. When American women insult you for being a non-commitment, unchivalrous, selfish, expating, foreign woman marrying, good for nothing, video game playing adultolescent, remember, you have every right to be.

Divorce Industry Corruption Part 6

2010-04-11T11:02:00.001-07:00

Gary Wolf "author of The Kicker of St. John's Wood" Writes

There is a grave threat to the integrity of the legal system and to the core values of our society: The destruction of due process of law in the family courts, a malady that has now reached epidemic proportions throughout the Anglosphere.

Of all the scandalous behavior of the Left, perhaps none is so underreported as the systematic destruction of marriage and the family that is now practiced by the governmental divorce and child-custody machinery. This industry and the travesties it has perpetrated are summarized proficiently in the book, "Taken Into Custody: The War Against Fathers, Marriage, and the Family" by Stephen Baskerville, a professor of political science at Patrick Henry College.

Declares Baskerville:

"This book is about our unwillingness to confront the most destructive and dangerous injustice in our society today: the systematic seizure of children by government officials and the criminalization of their parents. A parent today who has committed no legal infraction can have his (or sometimes her) parenthood and relationship with his children criminalized entirely through the actions of others in ways that are completely beyond his control. [The book] focuses largely on fathers and divorce, because these are the ones most commonly involved."

The attack on fathers has been facilitated by the myth that they are abandoning their children in droves, at which point they become "deadbeats," and must be tracked down by government officials seeking justice for the forlorn wives and children. Nothing could be further from the truth, writes Baskerville:

"The myth of the deadbeat dad has already been discredited conclusively by Sanford Braver and other scholars. We have already seen that Braver is one of many social scientists who have found that few married fathers voluntarily abandon their children. Beyond this, Braver has also shown that little scientific basis exists for claims that large numbers of fathers are not paying child support. Braver found that government claims of nonpayment were derived not from any compiled database or hard figures but entirely from surveys of custodial parents. In other words, the Census Bureau simply asked mothers what they were receiving....Fathers overwhelmingly do pay court-ordered child support when they are employed, often at enormous personal sacrifice."

In the vast majority of cases, it is the wife who initiates the divorce proceedings. She is encouraged in this action by the regime of "no-fault" divorce. The old concept of marriage as a contract has broken down; today, the flimsiest, most whimsical reasons can be offered as justification--if justification is even needed.

Once this machinery is set in motion, the deck is stacked against the father. In the blink of an eye, he can be evicted from his home, forbidden from seeing his children, have his assets seized, his wages garnished, and he can be assessed huge fees--all without due process of law. Though not even charged with committing a crime, he is presumed guilty. Many of the proceedings are held without his knowledge or presence, and he cannot cross-examine witnesses.

In a macabre recitation, Baskerville shows how each amendment in the Bill of Rights is being systematically violated, with no appeal. For example:

"The Fourth Amendment protects the 'right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures'. Yet as we have seen, parents suspected of no legal wrongdoing and who have given no grounds or agreement for divorce are routinely ordered without warrants to surrender not only their children but personal diaries, notebooks, correspondence, financial records, and other documents. Those unwilling or unable to produce the demanded documents can be fined, ordered to pay attorneys' fees, and summarily incarcerated. We have also seen that fathers are regularly interrogated behind closed doors about intimate family matters most parents would not normally discuss with strangers, such as conversations with their children and spouse, and they can be jailed for failing to answer....In shades of Soviet psychiatry, citizens who refuse to submit to this inquisition--and even those who do not--can be ordered to undergo a 'mental evaluation'."

The divorce and child-custody apparatus has grown to enormous proportions. It is a veritable industry, with judges, lawyers, social workers, collection agencies, therapists, psychiatrists, caseworkers, and researchers making their living from the ever-expanding pie. The enforcement effort employs thousands of agents who have a degree of authority and immunity that is unthinkable for ordinary police and law enforcement agencies. It has become an independent fiefdom, with no oversight and little scrutiny, with an entrenched interest in generating more divorce, more restraining orders, more mental evaluations, and more outrageously inflated child-support payments (commonly approaching or exceeding the income of the victim).

Another myth deconstructed by Baskerville is that fathers commonly commit child abuse, incest, and wife-beating. In reality, this is rare. Mothers are more likely to use violence on fathers, and children are most subjected to abuse in single-parent households headed by a woman.

After describing in gory detail the horrors of the family-law system (backed up, I might add, by reams of studies and testimony), Baskerville turns his attention to the culprits, those whose ideology has resulted in one of the grossest perversions of justice in American (and British, and Canadian) history. There are several culprits, but towering above them all are the feminists, who have carved out this untouchable empire for the purpose of destroying fatherhood and the nuclear family.

A key buzzword used by advocates of this ideology is "for the children." This is the clarion call behind the incessant demand to insert the power of the state into the deepest recesses of the private lives of the citizenry. Children are used, in the most cynical fashion, to attain political ends. This has reached the highest echelons of America's Leftist establishment:

"The philosophy of turning children over to state control and denying a sphere of family privacy is succinctly conveyed in Hillary Clinton's aphorism, 'There is no such thing as other people's children.' Hillary rejects the notion that 'families are private, nonpolitical units whose interests subsume those of children' and believes instead in 'the status of children as political beings.' Commenting on these passages and others like them, the late Barbara Olson wrote, 'For Hillary, children are the levers by which one forces social change'."

Overall, "Taken Into Custody" is a balanced, non-emotional, well-written, and copiously footnoted exposé. The only sour note, I would say, are several odd forays into macro-level political analysis, such as the perplexing statement that "it is perhaps a legacy of the Enlightenment that today both liberals and conservatives seem to worship at the altar of the meritocracy." The author would have been better advised to confine the scope of the work to his area of expertise, in which his competence is duly impressive.

In any case, the book is a must-read for understanding the nature and scope of this insidious attack on a key foundation of Western society.

S. Lee "Concerned Father" writes

Family Court Law is the most corrupt industry in America today. It is also the most dangerous threat to the constitutional freedoms and protections (which many claim that all citizens are granted) in the history of our society - really, since the institution of slavery. The parallels between slavery and the divorce industry are erily compelling...

Upon first glance, Family Court Law is just another harmless branch of our legal system. We've all been brain-washed into believing that state employees, lawyers and social workers really do care and want what's best for our children - and that they know what is in our children's best interests better than we parents do. After all, they are very righteous people, aren't they? And they really DO care. Thus, we are given Hillary Clinton's assertion that "it takes a village to raise a child..."

There is something inherently bizzare about this whole concept... Why would these strangers care about my child, whom they've never even met? How could their judgment ever supercede that of a fit parent who has raised and loved his daughter from birth? What is REALLY motivating these people to assume control over our children and our lives? What business do they have when they pompously assert that they are acting in my child's "best interest" and on my behalf?

This book systematically exposes all of these cleverly hidden motivations behind the "12 billion dollar child trafficking industry." If you want to know the truth about the divorce industry, then read this book - and tell everyone you know about it so that they can see behind the dark wall called Family Court Law...

Divorce Industry Corruption Part 5

2010-04-11T11:01:00.002-07:00

Mark Ruffolo writes

Though family is a popular word in America, its divorce rate is one of the highest in the world of about 220 countries. Divorce is America's white elephant in the living room - we all see it but most ignore it.

I thought that I experienced most of what divorce court had to offer - being legally innocent, I lost a son, 18 years of income, property, certain liberties, inaccurate Support Reports, bias police, jail, false domestic violence charge, bankruptcy, lost of career from about 125 court appearance, and more, from court orders without due process, but after reading Taken into Custody I was surprised by the other injustices against fathers (and some wives).

Similar things written in the book that happened to me were described accurately without exaggeration. If the other situations, policies, and procedures are truth, then I sense that living in America is dangerous place for divorced dads (The governments "separate but equal" Jim Crow laws of the 1870s to 1960s come to mind as being similar to the government's divorce laws of 1970s to now).

I expect to give copies of book as gifts.

If any person does not want to invest the $20 or disbelieves these truths, they can visit their local county courthouse Monday through Wednesday 9AM to 11AM. It's free and reservations are not required. If you are brave, ask the fathers in the hallway outside the courtroom, "How's it going?"

Tim Frank writes

I have been struggling with the "ex" wife now for three years. I have now just begun, just begun, to recover both socially and financially. My case included the gamut that Stephen describes: false accusations of domestic violence and child abuse, having to "prove my innocence" rather than her having to "prove my guilt", my children taken away from me and my being forbidden to see them for ten months, dictation by the court as to what I can and cannot do in my own home despite the fact that I have never been convicted of any crime and have an entirely clean record, etc. I absolutely thought I was going crazy ... the personal persecution perpetrated on me by her attorney was disgusting ... and there was absolutely nothing I could do about it. No objective criteria. Stephen describes all this in such clear detail in his book - and just a few years ago several friends of mine described this nightmarish scenario for me and I thought "they must be kidding". No - they are not kidding - and yes, Stephen is not exaggerating in any way. In fact, he is quite mild mannered - he is simply giving you the absolute truth. It's all here - in clear, concise, easily readable English. I can't even tell you the legalistic gibberish that they use to justify their i

T. Miller "Advoc8" writes

Awesome and factually backed up.

Have you ever read a book that you just can't put down? Well, this book is beyond that. Everyone I talk to that has read it or is reading it just has to put it down, very often, due to the shocking thought provoking nature of presenting the truth in the most believable way. Great job, Dr. Baskerville!

Dr. Baskerville sees that the real root of the war on dads (which is the war on families and society) isn't just selfish feminism, media and our "learning" institutions, or even just the barrage of parasitic greedy attorneys, judges and all their "full court" of hangers-on who profit immensely and gain unlimited power from this. It has become government at the center and root of destroying the family, and all of our rights, for these same reasons. Our forefathers warned us often that this would happen every generation/20 years, lest we be aware and prevent it.

Becoming aware can sometimes be tricky when attractive hysteria prevails so strongly. The healthy, intact traditional family is indeed the number one enemy of government becoming in total control, put above the citizens and thus decaying into corruption. People will readily support family-destroying lies and anti-male/father hysteria propaganda if it has been warped into "protecting" women and children. People have always supported hysteria propaganda and lies when they are craftily twisted around to look so important and good. But supporting anti-father agenda and hysteria isn't just hurting but is destroying women badly too, and especially children. After all, that's what government generated hysteria is all about, milking the masses, not just one group. Remember, where there's hysteria, there's fire, for all!

Like Dr. Baskerville points out - fathers are the weakest link to taking down the whole family, not just dad. It's ironic that while fathers are the weakest link to destroying the family, that they are also in fact the keystone and guardians of not just the family, but the keystone and guardians of any healthy society. The true patriarchy puts the family, the group and society before themselves. This isn't what you hear in the news or at school? This is what has always built and preserved healthy families and society. We'd still be in the stone age without this selflessness which feminists and government have discovered in men and fathers and have now exploited for only their own interests and "good." They use this to get men and fathers to help destroy themselves and take themselves down as protectors of society and family, against abuse and evil. Anything to prove they are not guilty of all the horrid atrocities which men and fathers are falsely, rampantly and hysterically accused of.

Fathers are the most important part of protecting and keeping families and children most protected and intact, from being ravaged by the many wolves in sheep's clothing. This includes fatherhood's main rival to truth, equality and justice for all (government). The classic signature of all totalitarian governments is to cleverly pretend to be putting up a valiant fight for these good things while doing the opposite. This is also the selfish radical feminist agenda, "Me first and only; it's all about ME, me milking you and everyone around me with my drama, while I pretend and dramatize doing the exact opposite."

Many just don't fully understand (they will benefit greatly from this book too) that it's not that fathers have abandoned their children or are bad, abusive and any more evil than mothers are. Government and their hangers-on would like you to believe dads are bad, more risky and suspect or guilty, until they can prove their innocence, which isn't even allowed anyway. These lies and hysteria just help them do more business than ever, and look like the good guys while raping and pillaging you and your family, and of course the whole village. They easily do this with the fully support of a largely happily ignorant village itself, because they can hysterically point the finger at those they have set up as villains.

Thanks for helping "our" government "help" us all so very much: Hillary, Obama, McCain, Pres. Bush, legislators on both "sides," governors, AG's, prosecutors and so very many "friends" of the family - very attractive wolves in sheep's clothing. There is little if any distinction between republicans and democrats when it comes to this subject and a few others.

Dr. Baskerville documents and backs up what he writes in this book. And, thanks for the quote from Dickens in the opening of chapter 1:

"The one great principle of the ... law is to make business for itself."

- Charles Dickens, "Bleak House"

William Bryan writes

bout this time, 20 years ago I filed for divorce from my wife of
7 years. At that time I worked as a Chief Electrician at the Fulton
County Courthouse where my divorce would be held. I knew most of the
Superior and State Court Judges on a personal basis; but, I did not
know how most judges handled divorce cases so I went to Kim Warden
who handled abused kids and abused women to ask her opinion of the
judge who would handle my case.

As best I remember, this is what Ms. Warden said: "Your divorce has
been assigned to Superior Court Judge Ralph Hicks? Good luck. While
Hicks has tried to mitigate the horrendous way Child Support payments
is handled in Fulton County by creating 'The Fulton County Child Support
Receiver's Office, Hicks is extremely biased against men. For example:

"Bill, if you were a combination of Jesus Christ and Santa Claus and
you wife were a Convicted prostitute, a Convicted drug user and a Convicted child abuser and you and her both wanted custody of your child? You, Mr. Claus would have a 50-50 chance that you would get
custody. I suggest you try to get Judge Hicks recused from your case;
but, don't cite bias against men as your reason. Be creative."

Drat! My wife was not a convicted drug user, etc..., so I was creative
in my attempt before any hearings to get Hicks recused and have an out
of county Judge who did not know me to handle my case.

My first attorney refused to file a Motion to Recuse! (Should have
dismissed this attorney right then and there. Unfortunately, 1st
attorney eventually stabbed me in the back; but, that's another story.)

Judge Hicks lived down to Ms. Warden's low opinon---and then some.

Long story short, it took over 3 years to get my divorce here in Georgia. Judge Hicks finally, FINALLY, recused himself after charges
of incompetence were made against him in YR 2 of my divorce. My case was then heard by 4 other judges.

The last judge, a woman named Frank Hull, wouldn't put up with my
wife's attorney's shenanigans, reduced my child support from $850 per
month to $700 for one child and quickly granted me a divorce after
Judge Hull threatened my wife that she might reduce child custory
payments even further and, maybe, grant me sole custody.

During these 3+ years of monetary and judicial agony, I joined Fathers
Are Parents Too and Children's Rights Council of Georgia. If I thought
I'd had it bad, a goodly number these members had divorces that made
mine look like a cake walk. Both these groups really helped me
cope and I will be forever grateful.

Sincerely!
Bill Bryan
EducationChoiceActivist at yahoo dot com

Divorce Industry Corruption Part 4

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wombatty writes

This book is nothing short of horrifying. The family law/divorce bureaucracy in America (and other western countries) is, in reality, a totalitarian arm of the state. In Baskerville's words, 'Divorce today means the invasion and destruction of private life by the state.' (p. 20). If you think this is hyperbole, read this book: accounts of innocent citizens (involuntarily divorced men) imprisoned without trial, unaccountable social service workers who destroy individuals and families with blatantly false accusations, men turned into destitute slaves by outrageous child-support bills, and it goes on and on.

In the first chapter, Baskerville notes that, `As we will see, the astonishing but incontrovertible fact is that with the exception of convicted criminals, no group in our society has fewer rights that fathers...Once a man has a child, he forfeits his most important constitutional rights. And mothers are not immune' (pp. 33-34). He then goes on, in the next chapter (Divorce and the Constitution) to document, in detail, how divorce/family law systematically violates the most basic rights recognized and safeguarded by the Constitution.

The chapter Deadbeat Dads or Plundered Pops? lays the hoax, as Baskerville puts it, of the `Deadbeat Dad' to rest once and for all. Though such creatures exist, they are exceedingly rare. The reality of the situation is that the vast majority of divorced dads are forbidden by lay, on pain of imprisonment, to have any contact with their children. Such men have been summarily imprisoned (without trial) for sending their children birthday cards, saying `I love you', showing up for a school play or sports event, or even accidentally running across them in public. All of this, of course, despite the fact that they are forced to pay punitive levels of `child support'. Sadly, even some conservatives have unwittingly bought into this hoax and make a habit of blaming dads who abandon their families for cultural breakdown.

Baskerville exposes how child support obligations came to so incommensurate with its purpose; to support a child (such obligations regularly are far in excess of that needed to provide for a child). 'Current child support guidelines are largely the creation of one man, who is also the founder and primary owner of the nations largest private debt collection company (pp. 128ff). Needless to say, there is conflict of interest here: if someone is not in arrears, such companies have no work. Therefore it was, and is, in the interest of such creeps to keep these bills as high (and difficult to pay) as possible so as to insure that their services will be needed.

Compounding this is the fact that it is in the States' best interest to keep these obligations as high as possible as well. This is because the more outstanding child support obligations a state has, the more federal money they get to enforce child support. Thus, the more unreasonable and onerous the child support obligations are, the more states, like the debt collection agencies, are likely to profit from it.

A typical sample is cited on page 135, 'one father, who's take-home pay is aproximately $1,200...of which he is left $200 to care for a family of four. (more on pp.144-145)

The sad fact is that divorced men have no protection from this oppressive regime; they are completely defenseless (unless they have political connections). Married men are, of course, at risk; should their wife choose to divorce them, they are screwed. Which leads us to another subject, touched on only briefly in the book: the `marriage strike' (Baskerville elaborates on this in a recent article at http://www.intellectualconservative.com/....ave-children/). Baskerville puts it pointedly on page 295:

If we truly believe our present divorce policy is appropriate, we should at least have the honesty to tell young people up front that marriage provides them no protection against government seizure of their children and everything else they have. Let us inform them that even if they remain faithful to their vows, they can lose their children, their home, their savings and future earnings, their freedom, and even their lives. Not only will government afford them no protection; it will prosecute them as criminals, though without the due process of law afforded to formally accuses criminals. And let us see how many young people - let us be honest, young men - are willing to start families.

Yes, we need to be honest; but young men are already waking up. There are many who are justifiably concerned by the decline in marriage rates, especially among the young (early-mid twenties). However, some like to pretend that concerns about this divorce regime (or its handmaiden, feminism - see the chapter 5) are just excuses invoked by immature men seeking to avoid the responsibility of marriage.

Chief among these ostriches is author Debbie Maken. In her book `Getting Serious About Getting Married' and on her blog, she regularly castigates men for invoking the `bogey of feminism' and using fears of divorce as a convenient excuse to avoid `manning up' and getting married. Apparently, men are not only to be brave, but stupid. The family law/divorce bureaucracy is a meat-grinder, and men justifiably fear it. If Maken wants to be taken seriously by those outside her fanclub, she needs to pull her head out of the sand.

More ominously, Maken and her ilk ignore this reality at their own peril (and that of families in general) for as Baskerville points out, though fathers are the first and most common causalities of this `war on the family', the state has begun to cast its rapacious eye toward mothers and happily married couples as well. Baskerville recounts cases where a married woman hs been given an ultimatum by social service bureaucrats: divorce your husband or we will confiscate your children. Baskerville notes that this is standard practice in Massachusetts, and that reporters there claim seeing hundreds of such cases. On pp. 210-211, Baskerville discusses one such case involviing a couple with a terminally ill child. A visiting home-healthcare nurse (also a social service worker) made false accusations of physical and sexual abuse. The courts threw out the case, but social services didn't give up. They hauled the innocent couple away in shackles and confiscated their children. The ill child was returned to the couple at death. The couple then fleed and eventually had another child. Social services hunted them down and took the child. At the hearing the judge took the child, citing that the couple was `stressed'. Despite freely admitting that the stress was induced by social services, the couple was still deprived of their child. The state then planned to put the children up for adoption. All of this because a social worker LIED (and was never held accountable). This, as Baskerville points out, is where all this is headed. The state is not just out to destroy fathers, they are out to destroy the family as a unit of society; fathers are the frontline defense for families and are thus attacked first. The state, in its current incarnation, is simply unwilling to tolerate authority structures outside of itself (hence the attack on families and the church).

There is much, much more in this important book; everyone must read it. And then we be willing to pull our heads out of the sand and acknowledge this threat.

John "Bookworm" writes

There is a war that is very little noted in the media. It is not in some faraway land. It takes place inside America itself and is a war upon the family, especially fathers. In this well-documented book, Dr. Stephen Baskerville argues that a "divorce industry" favors America's epidemic of divorce, family breakdown, and fatherlessness.
Many factors enter into this war. One driving force is the infiltration of feminist ideas that have become institutionalized in modern family law. This makes possible a penal apparatus that has proven an "effective instrument for waging gender warfare on the most personal level." Because they represent the hated "patriarchy," fathers are often demonized and automatically labeled as official villains by many social workers.
Equally important is the psychological climate that has been created around the "crisis in the family." Dr. Baskerville claims the media has created certain myths that predispose people to accept certain social policies. One of the greatest myths is that of the "deadbeat dad" which is not only a myth but a hoax, the creation of government officials and lawyers plundering parents whose children they have taken away.
The result of feminist ideology, media myths and no-fault divorce policies is a government-run system tearing apart families, separating children from fit and loving parents, confiscating the wealth of families, and turning law-abiding citizens into criminals in ways they are powerless to avoid.
The evidence is overwhelming, and the author takes great pains to cite tragic real life cases.
Raising a family in these modern times is hard enough in today's hostile culture. Dr. Baskerville's devastating indictment of the divorce industry only highlights just how difficult, if not miraculous, it is that families survive at all in the crossfire of a brutal yet unacknowledged war on the family.

Paul M. Clements writes

As a fathers' rights/family values advocate for 20 (+) years, I've read many books on the subjects of divorce, custody, child support, and domestic violence. Dr. Baskerville's, "TAKEN INTO CUSTODY" is by far the best of all I've read. It examines the bias against, and mistreatment of, fathers from several perspectives. Dr. Sanford Braver did the same in, "DIVORCED DADS, Shattering the Myths", but Baskerville goes further.
TAKEN INTO CUSTODY examines the REASONS for the widespread bias and mistreatment. Details exposing the extent of the bias will probably shock many readers. Moreover he offers solutions to solve the problems. The book is thoroughly researched and documented, coherently assembled, and intelligently written. No one, friend or foe, interested in family law should miss this book; although one suspects that those who have reason to fear the truth about our family courts will avoid it like the plague.
Paul Clements
DADD (Dads Against Divorce Discrimination)

Gregory J. Fischer "the children's lobbyist" (Calverton, NY)

Thank god for this book! It about time that this [...] is exposed. Dads are EQUAL PARENTS and there should not be schemes and tricks employed by the system (and complicit mothers) to deny fit fathers their rights to be active fathers.

Sadly, and ironicly, the same tricks are now starting to be used against the moms and between members of same sex couples.

What got lost in translation is that, although there is a huge gender bias against heterosexual men, the real target is ANY Family Court party.

As well a disgrace, the tricks an schemes a of less than fit parent trying to bias the court and STEAL the child through perjury takes government resources away from truly harmed victims.

The Family Law profession employs the same tricks over and over again FOR PROFIT AND GLUTTONY:
1.) Split the parties --- filter and even reduce all communications.
2.) Fuel acrimony albeit unwittingly in some instances.
3.) Add as many 3rd party providers to bill the marital estate as is possible.
4.) Purge the host (parties) of all assets.
5.) Abandon the children's best interests and reder them quasi-orphaned.
6.) Empower the drug companies to treat the symptoms of conflict and family chaos.
7.) Raise taxes for the working classes.
8.) Feed the "blood money" of Family Court litigation into lobbying to quash legal reform.

Children, the parents, and the extended family are all commonly destroyed in the process. Who gains?

Thank you Mr. Baskerville (author) for a great effort on this very important book.

To you, the prospective buyer of this book, buy every copy of this book you can and give a copy out to every member of your entire family ASAP.

Then give copies to clergy and teachers to educate them. Give copies to politicians, judges, and YOUR LAWYER to let them know you are HIP TO THE CON GAME!

This book is about a CRISIS and a NATIONAL EMERGENCY! Don't delay; get the word out ASAP!

Divorce Industry Corruption Part 3

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Robert J. Norton writes

he "Divorce and Domestic Violence INDUSTRY" is out of control and ruining the lives of millions of parents and children daily. It has been scientifically proven that when both parents have equal custody rights children do enormously better by all twenty six different measures. Equal rights and custody must be mandated by law unless there is real proof of harm to a child in front of a jury! The U.S. Constitution guarantees the right to a jury trial for anything over $20 and when your family, home and all future income is at state your get in front of an ignorant family court judge with an agenda: extract money for the state and his lawyer pals from the couple by taking advantage of human nature and abuse of laws.

The divorce system has now evolved into nothing but a cash cow and power machine for lawyer$, judge$ and other government bureaucrats. This system hurts families and children every day for its own convenience and profit totally ignoring the fundamental rights granted by the U.S. Constitution. It is now an ILLEGAL kangaroo court more often than not. These people have lost touch with "We the people . .".

Family courts today are not a solution for divorcing parents, but a hindrance to the process and very harmful to children and families. Unfortunately this is a simple scientific and statistical fact - NOT AN OPINION. Over 80% of custody awards are for sole custody and this has been proven the absolute WORST arrangement for children - yet it is the easiest and most profitable for lawyers and the states. Therefore it is a fact that divorce courts today are destroying millions of children's chances of growing up normal. In fact the chance of divorce of a child later in life goes up 93% when raised in a sole-custody home.

What most people don't know this books gets out there:
1. States get BILLIONS in federal tax dollars (we pay) in incentives to separate children from their parents
2. Lawyers pour gasoline on the fire intentionally to drive up legal fees and soak the estates of divorcing couples (this is conspiracy and fraud)
3. Equal parenting time is almost never awarded and fought by lawyers and others who make LOTS of money off of CREATING nasty divorces
4. Domestic violence laws are used as weapons and even lawyers admit most are bogus. One expert says 95% should not be issued. These destroy parents, children and families at a rate of 1 million per year in the U.S. alone. THAT'S MORE THAN 3,000 FAMILIES PER DAY!!!!

Get this book and buy 5 extra for gifts. This will be a major scandal when the public understands the inner workings of our divorce and domestic violence industry.

Also see www.FathersUnite.org for further information

qulteresq "quilteresq" writes

This book is not only well researched and written, Steven Baskerville has done an excellent job of comparing today's family courts shenanigans to the courts of totalitarian states and dictators. In doing so, he makes a compelling case for the proposition that the abuses of family courts in this country - widely ignored by mainstream media - signal the beginning of the end of all of our constitutional freedoms.

As an attorney that has frequently represented fathers in the family court system, I've seen first hand that everything he talks about in this book is true. Judges simply don't care about the constitution any more because the political clout of the feminists has either convinced them that either all men are really evil or the consequences of being fair to men in court will result in a backlash from this well organized, federally funded womens' rights advocates. The fundamental nature of parental rights in this country has been completely ignored not only by trial courts, but has actually been held in New Hampshire to be non-existent in the case of non-custodial parents. It's far too late to convince the judiciary that the what they are doing is undermining freedom itself. We need to convince legislators that they must take back the broad discretion they permit judges in all family law matters. They must write laws that mandate to the court that they cannot simply ignore parental rights simply because the parents, often through no fault of their own, no longer live with the mothers of their chidren.

Buy two copies of this book - one for yourself and one for a family law legislator in your state. And if you've been hurt by the family court system in your state, commit to writing to legislators to change the laws, show up at hearings on the legislation, and tell them first hand what harm separating children from parents has done to your family. Give them a copy of the book to put into the legislative record as well. It's time to stop hurting children using the fallacy that the courts are "protecting" them.

JL "JL" (NV) writes

With this timely book, Stephen Baskerville remains at the forefront of the single greatest violation of civil rights in 50 years: The for-profit and willful destruction of the American family. Baskerville has exposed the ideological link between failed Soviet policy of the 20's and 30's and American Marxist-style gender feminism's assault on the family by way of no-fault divorce, presumption of male guilt, the loss of each and every fundamental Constitutional right for male litigants, and the secret-court nature of Family Court.

How is this taking place? Oppressive, unconstitutional, inescapable trilateral force is daily imposed by corrupted legislatures writing laws specifically for shoddy trial lawyers and hateful gender feminists and then counting on massive federal financial aid and kickbacks to all 50 states to support the result, partly under the guise of "welfare reform".

The result is as intended: Everything from accusation-for-profit, false accusations constituting the sum and substance of revenge litigation, entire urban landscapes populated with generation after generation of single-parent welfare dependents, and to sum it all up, the most dysfunctional group of maladjusted children in the nation, those who are themselves emotional victims of an utterly fraudulent "best-interest" policy enacted by jury-less Courts that tear their families apart.

Government always profits by creating dependents and by creating criminals. To be a father in America is to risk being made a criminal for no reason and to be a mother or fatherless child is to risk being made a dependent. Because it pays.

Naturally, the divorce and custody industry calls all this the fault of families themselves, refusing to admit the horrific impact their own designed incentives. Even as all statistics point to the very results of their designs, they beg ignorance of their obvious handiwork. That handiwork permeates in one fashion or another federal welfare, federal domestic violence statutes, TANF, the DHHS, civil licensing and personal records, all local social services and DA's family support divisions, legislatures, local courts, and ultimately whether or not each and every parent in America will be allowed to continue to parent.

The solution? A nationwide presumption of joint parenting, due process for every litigant regardless of gender, and the abolition of the unconstitutional Family Court. FC judges have run roughshod over the Constitution long enough. These tyrants and their enabling counterparts in the lawyer ranks, in legislatures, and in social services are a monopoly of abusers beholden to a failed ideology so corrupt it was already abandoned by the Soviet Union eighty years ago after they tried it and failed.

Every parent in the country of minor children should read this book. Not knowing the corrupt rules of the family law/divorce industry cesspool is a very dangerous status to possess. The sad irony is that even as bad family law ruins the social fabric of this country for the profit of the multi-billion dollar divorce and custody industry, people are seeing through this holocaust and simply electing to never marry or have children. That unintended result may just be what saves us all.

Jimmy Plevick (Aus)

This is the book that had to be written on the divorce racket. For anyone who has woken up one day and found his children have been stolen, his assets plundered, and himself now a potential criminal because of it, this explains how and why.
It is a salutary lesson on the importance of not paying too much heed to what passes for political discourse these days too.
"Family Law" is a very boring issue that usually sends those not involved, running for cover. However they too should have an interest in this book; it highlights how divorce and anti-family courts are merely stalking horses for the state and its flunkeys to further encroach into the private lives of citizens.
Indispensable; a must read. For outsiders, it will evoke disbelief.

Lewis Moore writes

Baskerville demonstrates repeatedly how families are destroyed by the delegation of authority to the social workers, psychologists, and often "activist" judges of the Juvenile and Domestic Relations Court. This transfer of "family" cases to a bureaucracy -- whose individual members have plenty to gain by stigmatizing fathers as "deadbeats and "abusers" -- allows divorce lawyers to routinely contrive abuse allegations, depriving fathers of contact with their children and frequently getting them jailed for perjured accusations of abuse.

The widespread adoption of "no-fault" divorce in states formerly requring "grounds" for divorce has opened the door for mothers to "trash" the father of her children, alienate them from him, and to enrich herself in the process. Baskerville documents many cases of fathers who are blindsided by groundless divorce filings and are denied their constitutional rights by the entrenched bias of the "Family" Court. (Mothers 189, Fathers 0 -- in Arlington County, Virginia)

As a divorced father who considers himself a Liberal, this book gave me surprising new insight into the political and social process that led to the destruction of families by County apparatchiks. Baskerville gives some thoughtful remedies for this tragedy, but the road is a long one...
states effectively

Divorce Industry Corruption Part 2

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J. Ehrlich "I took back custody" writes

"Had I not gone through the divorce system, I would have never believed what was written in this book.

It is very scary that in America, with no-fault divorce and no wrong even being alleged, that the government can strip a parent of custody. Criminals have a higher burden of proof and the right to a jury trial; fit, loving parents don't. The precident this sets from a legal standpoint should scare every American who cares about our country.

Most important, he shows that children are suffering at the hands of our judicial system. The "best interest of the child" is nothing more than a subjective slogan to plunder dads who have done nothing wrong and care about their children. I hope every judicial officer in the country reads this book.

In America, the opinion of a custody evaluator is almost never challenged, and if it is, seldom overturned. If you want to hear the bizarre reasons dads are stripped of custody, join a father's right's group. You'll be shocked. Pull the court files and you'll find that what they tell you is true.

We need a presumption of joint physical custody NOW. Divorce will decline, there will be less abuse, children won't be put in the middle.

The mean-spirited advocates who want to label men as all bad will diss this book, no doubt, but this book is spot on."

Bookman "BookMan writes

This book is a must read for not only victims of the family courts (both 'Winners and Losers') but also anyone living in this great country of ours. It describes, in rational, well-thought out, objective terms a government controlled and funded 'system' which rapes good and loving parents both emotionally and financially. Baskerville does this with a significant flair for literature and more importantly with complete backing of research and prior studies all of which are appropriately foot-noted.

This country, and many which are based on our system, need this book, need the right people exposed to this book and need it badly. The government has basically taken on the role of patriarch and done so to the exclusion of loving parents - this has had disastrous results and if not stopped by our immediate actions will have even more disastrous results in the not so distant future.

Even if you have an intact family - Baskerville makes it clear that you are largely fooled (or perhaps brainwashed) that this family is actually yours, because lurking just behind the governmental guise of 'the best interest' the government is waiting to swoop down, take your children and your money and do with them whatever they see fit. It sounds like paranoia, but please be aware, this is happening on a daily basis in this country - go sit in on a family court for a full day - you will leave shocked and dismayed that we call these procedures 'court-room justice.' All the government needs is a little catalyst - someone just needs to say 'no-fault divorce.'

Buy this book! Read it thoroughly and pass the word on.

T. Simon "Father" Writes

About the only thing the feminist/Bar Association alliance for exploiting children for hate and profit can't seem to control is Stephen Baskerville shining the light of truth on what they are doing to our children and families. It's illegal, it's corrupt, it's extortion, it's child abuse, and it preys upon innocent citizens and their children.

Besides everyone, who specifically should read this book and why:

Young men, so that if they are still dumb enough to marry or have children they will have nobody to blame for their eventual loss of freedom, children, savings, and income but themselves.

Children of divorce, to understand why their father is/was "absent" all those years, what sorts of things their mother did to get rid of him, and how it was virtually impossible for their father to be there and help them.

Divorced mothers, to understand what suckers you are for damaging your children just because some special interest groups offered you some easy money and a selfish feeling of power and control over your children's father(s).

Fathers and those who care about them. Whether you have had your children taken from you (yet) or not, and whether you have read Baskerville in the past or not, this is the most thorough yet concise description of how your government violates your rights and forces abuse upon your children as a routine matter of course.

Government employees of all stripes, assuming you have not yet sold your soul to the child abuse alliance of Bar Associations and feminists.

People truly concerned with the well-being of children, preserving family, or salvaging liberty in America before it is too late, as Baskerville outlines the workings of the most extreme threat to children, family, society, and civil rights at least since slavery. Stop wasting your time on relatively trivial matters and face the enemy where it is doing the most damage.

Feminists. Are you a disillusioned useful idiot for your leaders, or do you truly believe in abusing children to promote a proven failed ideology. Matriarchy, Communism, and hatred towards members of certain groups are proven failures - get over it. Read this book, then decide.

Bar Association members. The jig is up, the word is out, you are profiting from violating fundamental rights and abusing children. Surely there are enough of you who oppose what your constituents are doing to children and families to get together and put a stop to it before your organization goes down in the annals of history alongside tyrannical despots like Hitler. At least Hitler was crazy, your organization is just greedy. Are you part of the problem or the solution.

Anybody who wants to understand why we have had an explosion of social pathologies over the last few decades, especially involving children.

People in the media. Stop peddling the PC party line that everybody knows is nonsense and start reporting on government corruption like you are supposed to be doing.

Anybody who has lost a child, niece, nephew, grandchild, or other relative to the corruption of family law. That includes those who have lost a son, brother, uncle, or FATHER targeted for extortion through the exploitation of his children by the corrupt family law machine.

Dr. G. "Dr. G." Writes

I have known Stephen Baskerville and his work for years. I am pleased and proud to review this important work by one of the United States leading scholars.

"Destroy the family, and you destroy society." (V. I. Lenin)

No-fault divorce was invented by the Bolsheviks in 1918. The Bolsheviks destroyed the old bourgeois notions of the family and the home, and recreated an allegiance to the government. The United States began a social experiment with no-fault divorce with California's passage of the Family Act of 1969.

The term no-fault divorce is misleading. Rather than no-fault divorce, what we have is unilateral divorce. No-fault divorce is the dissolution of a marriage, upon petition to the court by either party, without the requirement of fault on either party. Either party may request, and receive, the dissolution of the marriage, despite the objections of the other party. Marriage is a contract, and no-fault divorce allows either party to breach the contract without penalty. There is no legal defense against a petition for dissolution of a marriage under no-fault divorce.

The radical swing from 100% fault-based divorce to 100% unilateral non-binding marriage is a failed social experiment. It is today's equivalent of Prohibition. Over 50% of all first marriages end in divorce. The statistics for subsequent marriages are even worse. More than half of all these marriages that end in divorce involve children. Whether these are contested divorces or not, the family court will control the careers, incomes, wealth, debts, and lives of these mothers, fathers, and children until the children are between 18 and 21 years of age.

According to the Americans for Divorce Reform, as the divorce rate soared, so did the number of children involved in divorce. Since in 1972, over one million American children every year have seen their parents divorce. There are over 40 million non-custodial parents and over 50 million children of divorce.

There is much discussion about the protection of marriage, and President Bush proposed a marriage amendment to the Constitution. While this is admirable, it will not protect the institution of marriage until we end our failed social experiment with Bolshevik no-fault divorce. The unintended consequence of prohibition was the rise of organized crime. The (unintended?) consequence of unilateral divorce is the achievement of Lenin's goal, the destruction of the family.

Attorneys, who were elected to their state's legislature, or to the Congress, wrote most of today's divorce laws. When one becomes an attorney, one becomes a member of the Judicial Branch of government. The separation of powers doctrine of the Constitution prohibits a member of the Judicial Branch from also being a member of the Legislative Branch. These attorneys were successful in creating a complex network of laws that guaranteed their involvement in our lives.

In 2004, the Chief Justice of the Michigan Supreme Court declared that marriage was no longer an institution in that state. She pointed out that over two-thirds of all litigation in Michigan was divorce related.

The Democratic Party has been the major proponent of laws and programs that continue the destruction of the family and the demonization of the male. They have gone so far as to promote misandry (hatred of men) in the United States as a form of political correctness. The Republican Party is moving in the direction of the Democratic Party as it courts the female vote. As the Republican Party strives to redefine itself, it moves in the direction of the Democrats and is becoming the "other" big government party. The viability of third parties in the United States is extremely limited, although the Libertarians have succeeded in electing some state and local officials in the Mid-West.

Perhaps the most glaring and blatantly unconstitutional example of misandry is VAWA (Violence Against Women Act), in all of its forms. Democrats Biden, Kennedy, Clinton, and other fellow travelers pushed VAWA through the Congress. Baiden is now pushing for I-VAWA.

Leftists perpetuate the myth of the "Deadbeat Dad" for political gain, although research discredited this myth. Ironically, it is non-custodial Mothers with the worst child support payment record. Research shows that over 75% of the non-payers have no income, are disabled, or are incarcerated. This is despite the fact that academic and government research proved that child support vastly exceeds the cost of raising a child.

Our adversarial legal system feeds upon the conflict that is inherent in divorce. The children pay for the conflict and the lawyers profit from it. We cannot protect our children until we end the Communist's no-fault divorce and take the profit out of divorce.

Dr. Baskerville's books is a must read for all citizens, male and female, married, unmarried, or divorced.

Stephen J. Van Osdell "tabsaw" writes

It is about time that a book like this was published! Ever wonder why things happen the way they do in family courts across the country? Wonder why the custody of children usually always goes to the parent with the lowest income? Why custody always goes to the mother unless she voluntarily gives it up or is in prison? Why fathers can't seem to get more than about 35% physical time with their kids when both parents are fit and live close together?

Common sense and wisdom would dictate that, with all other things being about equal, the parent with an income significantly higher than the other would be better able to provide for and raise a child following a divorce - especially considering how expensive it is these days with the rising cost of college tuition, clothes, food, and extracurricular activities. But, then whey is it that it seems that the parent with the highest income is always the one made to pay outrageous sums to money to the parent with the lower income? And the courts will unabashedly tell us that a 'child must be maintained in a standard of living he/she would have enjoyed had the divorce not happened'. Please!

All too often, we run around examining individual cases in disbelief and outrage at the way father's are methodically ostracized and demonized in today's culture without searched for doing a 'root cause' analysis. This is similar to finding an apple tree and trying to determine why just about each apple we pick is poison and trying to determine this on an apple by apple basis. We MUST stop analyzing the apples and start looking at the tree trunk and its roots! THERE is where we will find the problem!

The poison is the TITLE IV-D and IV-E sections of our Social Security Law! It can be found by going to this link http://www.access.gpo.gov/uscode/title42/chapter7_subchapteriv_.html
It is United State Code (USC) Title 42 Chapter 7 SubChapter IV. You MUST read all the sections of these laws in their entirety and you will then begin to understand how every state in the union is PROFITING big time on the backs of parents going through divorce. They are profiting so big that if divorces stopped tomorrow, their state budgets would be in the RED big time!

And NO mainstream media outlet will TOUCH this! The so-called conservative big-mouths like Limbaugh, Hannity, and Savage will talk all day long about Hillary's 'SChip' program for child medical care (which is another joke), but they won't dare talk about what is already in place and is ruining this country from the inside. Most mainstream radio stations won't even let organizations purchase time on their stations to try to expose it! This is how well-kept the dirty secret is!

This book exposes this dirty secret, but I wish it would have gone into even more detail about it. For low level details, the best website I have found is www.laryholland.com. This person has done extensive research thru Freedom of Information Acts (FOIA) requests and has the 'goods' on them!

Hopefully, this book will serve as the catalyst that has been needed for so long that will finally expose the corruption in this nation's family courts and how the judges are ALL in on the profiteering! It is truly disgusting what is being allowed (and indeed approved) to happen in this country.

In 2006, Ohio collected 2.1 BILLION dollars in child support and spousal support payments! Because of this, they were able to obtain approximately an additional BILLION dollars from the Federal Government in incentives and block grants that can go into the GENERAL FUND! Basically, for every dollar the state claims as an enforcement expense, the Feds give them back $2. If you were told that for every dollar you spend remodeling your house, the government would give you back $2, can you imagine the remodeling that would start tomorrow??

Richard K. Stephens "Historian" writes

This is going to sound like hyperbole, but let me assure you that the following opinion is in actuality a deeply informed one: This is perhaps the most important book ever to be published about the Western Family. "Taken Into Custody" is the most thorough examination of the Anti-Family Movement's enormously successful (and very heavily funded) efforts to "replace" the natural family with a simulacrum of "the extended family" in the form of a big business/big government bureaucratic "village" that will "scientifically" raise "all of our children" (as their slogans boast). We can be sure that every serious advocate of the idea that the natural family must be destroyed (such as Professor Linda Gordon of New York University) will read the book -- and devote substantial resources to attack its truths -- but the big question is whether the various existing strands of "pro family" movement will read it, will wake up and will begin to do something substantial to win back the Constitution's protections for family life and family love. If this Pro-Family revival does not soon occur, we are going to have to brace ourselves for further erosions of the Constitution by the growing monstrous blob (that we might as well dub "Big Sibling")

Divorce Industry Corruption Part 1

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If there is just a 1% chance of you or one of your buddies getting married in the United States, this is the book to buy.
I have never read a scarier horror story in my life.
Even Scarier is 1 million men each year are getting victimized by the corrupt divorce industry each year.

Here are some reviews from Amazon.

Joe Tenaglia wrote

"7 years ago I was a happy loving father with 2 daughters a nice house and a good job. Now after 7 years of living hell, I am broke, lost my house, children, real estate, life's savings and 70% of my income. I have been accused of being a threat to myself and others arrested, banned from my house, taken against my will to a psychiatric hospital, and denied access to my children. What have I done, I married a woman who knew how to use the divorce system. Taken into Custody is the first real expose of the greatest injustice in our society. Guilty until proven innocent, insulted, threatened, falsely imprisoned, impoverished I suffered alone and confused. How can this be happening? It can and does happen. The war against fathers is real. Thank you Dr Baskerville, for the truth. We can't let this go on, I don't worry about myself anymore, I worry about my children."

Don't Marry Essay

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Don't Marry Essay

The intent of this website is to help educate men about the realities of today’s modern marriage. Please pass the word.

Why Modern, Western Marriage Has Become A Bad Business Decision For Men

This writing seeks to educate men about the realities of what they may be getting into when they marry a Western Woman. An informed decision is less likely to be one that may be regretted later in the marriage. The intent is not to dissuade men from marrying, but to encourage them to communicate frankly their concerns and expectations regarding marriage with their potential spouses. The secondary aim of this essay is to enlighten women to a few of the reasons why increasingly larger numbers of successful, eligible, unmarried men, who would otherwise prefer monogamous long-term relationships, are turning their backs on marriage.

Society typically paints a negative stereotype of men who hesitate, delay, or elect not to marry.

They are labeled as either:

A) Womanisers who are unable to participate in a long term relationship, or
B) Selfish, childish or irresponsible men who can not take care of themselves or another person.

No other explanation is ever explored.

The cost of proclaiming your undying love

In University, in professional sports, in politics, in the workplace; women have the same educational and professional career opportunities as men. Contrary to commonly believed feminist propaganda, women do indeed get paid the same salary as men, given that they are willing to work the same types of jobs as men, and work as many hours as the men do. Despite this reality, many women come into marriage with very few assets, and often are saddled with substantial quantities of debt. In general, men are the ones who save and invest. Don’t believe me? Count the number of women of marrying age that you know who subscribe to financial services magazines or newspapers. A significant number of 20-something and 30-something women spend all of their disposable income on luxury rental apartments, upscale restaurants, frequent exotic vacations, leased cars, spa treatments, and excessive amounts of clothing, purses, shoes and accessories. Yet ironically, in the media, men are the ones who are portrayed as reckless, irresponsible spendthrifts.

When marriage enters the picture, double standards and financial imbalances leave responsible men to pick up the slack and fix the mess she may have made of her finances. Men are forced to spend their hard-earned savings, or take out an usurious loan, on a diamond ring. Women justify this relatively recent, mid-20th Century ritual, which was spawned by a brilliant 1940’s mass-brainwashing campaign launched by DeBeers, by insisting that a man wants to buy her a diamond and that it makes him proud to be able to proclaim his love and affection towards her in this fashion. Granted there are some men who may be inclined to declare their commitment to a life-long partner in this way, but there are plenty of men whom seek a lifelong partnership and commitment who have no interest in buying diamonds. What choice do these men have? None! To many young men, the ring, catered wedding, and honeymoon in an exotic locale at a five-star hotel is an unwelcome land mine on their journey towards adult financial stability and independence. To add insult to injury, he is now locked into a lifetime of insurance payments for this grossly overpriced jewelry. Contrary to popularly held belief diamonds are not rare at all, but instead are common and inexpensive. Their high price is due to their supply having been artificially manipulated. Some men are more concerned with realising their dream of owning a home and becoming financially stable enough to begin a family and responsibly provide for their welfare. Men worry about these matters, because, ultimately, it becomes their sole responsibility.

The purchase of the diamond ring is a predictor of things to come. Immediately after buying it, the man may be rewarded with bridal demands to finance all or part of a lavish wedding, depending upon the size of his bank account and the ambitions of his fiancée. The average costs of today’s Western Weddings frequently exceed that of a house down payment or, in certain parts of the world, the entire cost of the house itself. If a man enters a marriage having saved up a down payment for his dream home, it can suddenly be snatched right out from underneath him. Many men may object to spending such a large sum of money on what is basically a very expensive one-day, four-hour party. He also will be spending a year of his life planning it, when he could use the same time to further his career or education. However, what a man wants is really not of any concern anymore at this point in the proceedings. His wants, desires, hopes and dreams are ignored almost in their entirety. Her opinions regarding the wedding are frequently non-negotiable. A wedding is no longer an event that is equally for the bride and groom. As many of today’s Bridezilla’s will gleefully remind you, “Today is MY day!”. This gives her licence to become selfish, irresponsible, demanding and childlike. A man who balks at spending his entire life savings, or shouldering a five-figure debt load, for the ring, catered wedding and honeymoon in an exotic locale at a five-star hotel, can and will be labeled as a selfish cheapskate or not a “Real Man”. If a woman leaves such a man for him suggesting that they try to keep their costs under control, she would have the full support of everyone around her as she dumped him.

“She can do better”, “Clearly, he doesn’t love her”, “He doesn’t deserve her”, and similar sentiments will be muttered in quiet circles just out of his earshot. This is a sign of her good self-esteem and healthy self-image, and a sign that she won’t settle for anything less. She is the poster girl for the Modern, Independent Woman.

Imagine if a man demanded equal treatment and asked that she buy him a new bass boat, and a two-week bear hunt in Siberia as a condition of marriage. This would be viewed as absurd, yet women do it every day. Modern Western Marriage is supposedly an equal partnership, isn’t it?

The injustices go from bad to worse when children enter the picture. If he can afford to carry the entire familial financial burden, the woman may now elect to stop working entirely. She will often make this decision regardless of how he may feel about it. The day she stops working is the day that all of her past financial baggage unequivocally gets tossed onto his shoulders. If the woman has racked up substantial credit card debts, these are now his payments to make; if the woman has not bothered to pay off her student loans, these become his responsibility; if she owes an enormous sum on her luxury car note, it is up to him to pay it off. Irony of ironies is that he is now paying for her degree and she isn’t even working anymore! Can he object? Can he say: “No Honey, you made your mess, and it should not be my job to clean it up. You knew that you wanted kids even before you met me, and you should have planned ahead.” No, he cannot. The payments can’t be deferred until she is once again able to continue repaying them herself, not if he wants to retain a clean credit rating to get a loan for their dream home. If he even suggested that she return to work to pay off some of her own debt load, he opens himself to criticisms of being an unsupportive husband and bad father who is endangering the welfare of his children. Now the noose tightens and the responsible husband compensates for the mother’s freewheeling and irresponsible past, and begins slowly to pay off her old debts. In the most twisted turn of events yet, the debt he is paying off may often be on credit cards used to finance Vacations, Hotel Rooms and Christmas gifts shared with previous husbands, boyfriends, fiancés and lovers. Caveat Emptor! This is the reward for today’s man who works hard, makes sacrifices, plans ahead, and invests wisely. By getting married to the typical Modern, Western Woman, the man is certainly susceptible to being railroaded into this situation, because it is completely acceptable within today’s gender roles and societal norms.

Marriage can mean career slavery

Anyone who says, “Slavery is dead” clearly has not contemplated the predicament of the average Western Husband, where a good paycheck can mean career slavery. Merriam-Webster’s English Dictionary defines slavery as “…(T)he state of a person who is a chattel (an item of tangible movable or immovable property) of another person.” If the husband earns enough to support both of them, he would be hard pressed to make an argument to preserve equality and have her continue working as he does. If the wife decides to stop working, the man who has been left holding the financial bag finds his options very limited. He may find himself working in a career that he hates, for abusive and exploitative management, excessively long hours, in a position that is physically dangerous or demanding, in an organisation that has no growth potential, far away from home. At this point, considering the corner he’s been painted into, he is often powerless to affect any positive, meaningful change in his own life. He may have been harbouring delusions that once his wife was able to return to work, he would be able to gain some flexibility to rectify some of the shortcomings in his own career. Perhaps changing careers or accepting a lower salary at a different firm in exchange for better hours, a shorter commute, or more fulfilling work. Nevertheless, the distinct reality is that he will continue to shoulder the financial responsibilities of his family alone. His reward for working hard and getting ahead is to become trapped into his career, and become a specialised beast of burden to an emotionally and financially dependent family. Does it really pay to work hard anymore and apply oneself to his full potential?

If she stops working, she may never work again.

There are many debates about the merits of a stay-at-home mother vs. a working mother. My goal here is to simply educate the prospective husband on frequently unseen risks he is taking on when he agrees to accept 100% of the financial burden to allow his wife to stay at home. An informed decision is less likely to be one that may be regretted later in the marriage.

Every parent will agree that staying home with children is backbreaking and often mind-numbing labour. Many new fathers may concede that it is much easier to go to work than to stay at home with several children. However, the greatest imbalance in efforts and contributions to a marriage can manifest once all of the children are of school age. The house is now empty from 8am-3pm. The wife has 7 hours to herself while the kids are at school and the husband is at work. After a few years of hard work at home, many wives may feel entitled to “kick back” and take it easy. The good, supportive husband, however, has worked those same years, has done his 50/50 of the housework, and is still working just as hard to support the family once the kids are in school. His workload has not diminished, and it may have even increased as her expectations rise. He is rarely afforded the same option to scale back his daytime efforts.

What motivation does the modern wife have to return to work? Very little. For several years now, the man’s salary has been enough to live on. Otherwise, she would have been working to make ends meet. Unless tight finances dictate that she must return to work, the husband really has little say in this matter. The wife can hide behind many different excuses in order not to work, despite having little to do from 8am-3pm. Among the commonest are:

“I’m busy with the housework”
It is easy to exaggerate the labours of daily housework. Yet how long does it take to throw clothes or dishes into the washer, and remove them later? Vacuuming can be done in 1 hour a week. Grocery shopping is another hour per week. A decent meal can be prepared in under an hour. Does all of this add up to 7 hours a day? The lie that housework is hard, time-consuming drudgery is no longer as persuasive as it may have been in the past, because in an age of later marriage, many men are already experienced in cooking, cleaning, and general housekeeping and know that it doesn’t take that much effort or time. Humourously, not every stay-at-home-wife even performs all of these duties.

“I can’t find a job”
She has been out of work too long, and therefore is unable to find a job. This may be true, but many men do not consider this risk when they agree to support her while she “temporarily” stops working. Hopefully now they will, and can make a more informed decision. Many wives may use this as a convenient scapegoat to stop looking for any job at all. The next section describes how this can be used against him in the event of divorce.

“It doesn’t pay for me to work”
In the short run, the expenses of returning to work such as gas, lunch, clothes and day care may not make it worthwhile for her to return to the workforce. This may be true, but does that justify her playing tennis, drinking lattes and ‘catching up with her friends’ while her husband toils away? Many couples may be too shortsighted to thoroughly and comprehensively think through this issue. Initially, the cost to benefits ratio may not be ideal, but her returning to work will improve her job skills and network of contacts and over time the return on investment will improve. More so than strolling through the local mall every afternoon and window-shopping for new window treatments. Over time, as her career gets back on track, and she becomes qualified for better jobs, her salary should also improve.

It should be duly noted that some working wives view their salary as “personal spending money”, and still expect the man to pay all or most of the bills. Western Women are often heard to claim that, “What’s mine is mine, and what’s his is ours.”

Even more unfair double standards that favour wives

Cheating
If a married man cheats, he’s the scum of the earth. He is a selfish jerk that has jeopardised the family unit, done his ‘thinking with his little head’, and disrespected his wife and children. However, when the woman cheats, she’s portrayed as the victim of an insensitive and inattentive husband. “Poor thing, he ignores her. It is for her empowerment, to boost her ego. She deserves it after bearing and rearing his children.” It’s good for her self-esteem. Worse, her cheating is portrayed as the man’s fault. If he works long hours to provide for her and the children, he works too much. If he is tired at the end of the day from 13 hours of manual labour, then he doesn’t compliment her as much as she wants. Into this vacuum of conflicting expectations steps the first man who “makes me feel like a Real Woman again…”. You read that correctly; the man who is scrambling to pay the mortgage and car payments and is working double shifts to pay for the consumer goods she demanded to have is now considered a negligent and emotionally abusive husband. The man who may be working two jobs to allow her to be home with her kids is now considered a candidate for Domestic Violence.

When a woman cheats, the first thing people ask is what he did, or more often, didn’t do, to drive her into the arms of another man.

When a man cheats, no one ever asks the same question.

When a woman cheats, the reaction will be; “Oh, poor thing, I guess her husband couldn’t get the job done in the bedroom”.

When a man cheats, no one ever stops to think; “Oh poor fellow, his wife was horrible in bed.”

Let’s not forget what happens if a man were to leave his wife for a younger woman. This will become fodder at the coffee shop for months. It is automatically assumed that he is a shallow sex maniac whose only motivation was to be with a younger woman. The possibility that his wife was of a generation of women who were taught to hate men and that younger women do not, that she was lazy, or a reckless spendthrift, or verbally or physically abusive, or grossly overweight, or an incompetent mother, are rarely considered and are often totally ignored. The myth is that the only reason a man leaves his wife is to be with a younger, more attractive woman. Never mind if she is a better match for him and a more supportive, nurturing mate.

Pre-Nups
If a man insists on a Pre-Nup, he is selfish and unromantic. However, when is the last time a woman who demanded a Pre-Nup was called “unromantic”? On the contrary, if a woman requests a Pre-Nup, she is being fiscally responsible, sensible and looking out for herself. (Note: If your fiancée refuses to sign a Pre-Nup, she has just shown her hand. Best to leave now.) Why is it that a woman can refuse a Pre-Nup, and it is accepted by society? In reality, the man should be outraged that she is after a legal contract, and not love.

What is astounding is the hypocrisy of the usual reaction towards Pre-Nups. Women can conveniently assert that a man is unromantic if he suggests a Pre-Nup. After all, how can a man pollute true love with the signing of legal paperwork! However, what is a marriage licence? Nothing more than a legal contract entered into between the man, woman and local and state government authorities. A woman does not seem to balk at signing this legal paperwork, which entitles her to at least half the assets a man has accumulated as well as half of everything he earns in the future, and obligates him to support her in perpetuity in the event of a breakup. Why aren’t men allowed to note how unromantic this contract is? The distraction of bridal magazines, place setting selection, floral arrangements, wedding dresses, receptions, wedding showers, and honeymoons have clouded the legal reality of what men are getting themselves into. Marriage is as much an unromantic legal contract as a prenuptial agreement is.

Initially, Pre-Nups were devised as a way to protect women. Nuptial agreements were popularised in the 19th century, mostly to protect heiresses from marrying men who were “out for their money”. Until the Married Women’s Property Act of 1848, under English Common Law, a woman’s property, upon marriage, was usually transferred to her husband.

“Stupid, Irresponsible” Men
Men are severely abused in our media, quite frankly. Just watch any TV commercial or sitcom and see how they portray men as idiots, dolts, or well intentioned, if bumbling, buffoons. If women were portrayed in commercials in the same fashion, “Women’s Organisations” would have a fit. If it weren’t for their wives in these shows and ads the men would be lost “animals”, unable to feed themselves or perform even the simplest of tasks. Other commercials make it appear that men act without thinking, only responding in an impulsive and irrational manner, and that the wife is the brains of the family. Even many women will agree that women often are the ones who act upon emotions and make judgments solely based up on emotional attachments and not logic or reason. Almost every “couples budgeting” article will portray the woman as the one who has to rein in the man’s childish spending, when in truth it is usually the woman who cannot control her expenditures.

Job Loss
If a husband loses his job and is having trouble finding work, the wife is completely and totally justified in threatening to leave him. However, can you imagine the reaction if a husband threatened to leave a wife who was in the exact same position? He would be vilified! If a man loses his job, the woman is justified in resenting the fact that the financial burden lies on her. He is no longer a ‘good provider’. When is a man allowed to resent this very same predicament? If a man is laid off and cares for the household and kids while the wife is working, he may be accused of not pulling his weight! Yet this is exactly the same situation that women demand more recognition for with each passing year! No matter what role the man plays, he loses!

Traditional Roles
It is perfectly acceptable for a woman to demand that a man make a certain salary, drive a certain car, live in a certain part of the city, have a certain job, have the ‘right’ manners, talk a certain way, walk a certain way, behave a certain way, have a degree from the ‘right’ University and dress in a stylish fashion, to be deemed “marriage material” and be able to provide her with the stability she feels she deserves. If a man demands his wife do the cooking and cleaning, he can now be labeled old fashioned and sexist. If he asks her to carry her weight financially, just as he does, he may be criticised as an inadequate provider. If a man insists that his wife honor the conjugal requirements of the marriage contract, he can and will be accused of sexual abuse, sexual assault or rape.

To add insult to injury, some women have gotten so pampered that they not only quit their jobs the day they find out they are pregnant, but they then go out and hire as many nannies, cooks, gardeners and pool boys as their husband can afford. Many Western Wives stay at home and hire someone else to rear the kids and clean up, while they drink lattes and go shopping all day with other pampered “stay-at-home” mothers. Does it pay to work hard and get ahead anymore, if this is how your hard-earned money is squandered?

The concept of the pampered wife is a relatively new one. Most of Western Civilisation was primarily an agricultural economy even up until the 1920’s and 1930’s. Western Wives contributed to the well being of the household by helping on the farm. A man needed a wife as an equal partner. It was not until the 1950’s that the first generation of Western Wives, first in The States and later in Europe, Australia and New Zealand, began to emerge as dead weight. Perhaps this coincides with the spiking of the divorce rate in The States, and later Europe and the other English Speaking Nations, and the rise of Feminism. Perhaps men have become tired of giving so much, while getting so little in exchange.

Divorce

43% of Western Marriages end in divorce, and 70% to 93% of these divorces are initiated by women.

All men should consult a legal professional before marrying, and understand the implications of divorce, because the chances are 1-in-3 that they will participate in one whether they like it, want it, inititate it or not.

Upon divorce, all assets accumulated during and prior to a marriage are subject to division. It has become, simply put. a licence to steal. Even if the woman has not worked in years, and has spent the intervening decade(s) shopping and lunching from 8am-3pm, she is entitled to half, or more, of everything the man worked for during the course of the marriage. Is this fair? How many people would ever agree to a job contract that stipulated that in the event of separation that one party would have to return 50% of the gross amount of everything in the pay packet? No one in his or her right mind would knowingly sign such an agreement. Yet Western Men unknowingly agree to the exact same insanity each time they sign their marriage contract!

“Assets accumulated prior to a marriage are exempt from a divorce”. In theory this is true, in practice it is not. If funds from an account are commingled or combined, it can become marital property. How do funds become commingled, or mixed? If even the smallest sum from a prior account is spent towards the marriage, all of that account will now be considered marital property. Buy your child a lollipop from your own account, and a good lawyer will take one-half of it for your ex-wife when you divorce. If a woman moves into a home the man owned prior to the marriage, it is not safe from divorce. If she so much as hangs up a sheet of wallpaper, puts up draperies, paints a wall, or installs a light fixture, the home is now classified as joint marital property, and is now subject to equal division. Worse actually, the man can be ejected from the home if she makes a false claim of domestic violence, physical abuse, verbal abuse or child abuse. Where is the equality and fairness?

Note: “Equal Division” is also somewhat of a misnomer. Often, she can get upwards of 70% – 90% of the assets, while the man gets the majority of the debts! She gets all of the benefits, he gets all of the responsibilities. This, of course, is just and right and is his reward for working so hard all of those years. He can afford it; she can’t because she was not working.

If you pamper your wife, it can be used against you

Imagine that in the spirit of generosity and kindness that you gave a beggar a hot meal. A generous act, indeed. Now imagine your reaction if that same beggar sues you in court. He is petitioning the judge to have you keep providing him with the food that you gave him willingly, freely, out of a big heart. The judge orders you to keep feeding the homeless man meals, indefinitely, forever, because he has become accustomed to eating those meals! This is categorically absurd, yet this happens to Western Men in divorce court every day. Instead of thanking you for paying her bills for all those years, what you get is the privilege of being legally forced to pay her bills forever!

After having children, many women demand to quit working and stay home. Before the kids came along, many of these same women may have been in careers they hated, working long hours, and enduring long commutes. It is the man’s generosity and dedication to his own career that enables her to walk away from her own career. During a marriage, a man with a stay-at-home wife might work long and grueling hours in order to support her. He will pay the mortgage, the property tax, grocery bill, phone bill, cable bill, Internet bill and electric bill. He also pays for her car, gas money, clothes, and vacations.

As one final slap in the face, the man may be punished for working hard enough to allow his wife to have the luxury of staying at home with the kids. As noted above, after the children are in school, the wife may enjoy a life of leisure and relaxation that is afforded to her by her man’s hard work. In the event of divorce, he will be legally obligated to support her for years or decades to come. Because she stopped working and led a life of leisure, the ex-husband is now responsible for supporting her, forever! History has a tendency of rewriting itself. Originally, a woman may have had a career that she may have hated, and was begging to leave. Western Women often “play” at work and career for a few years after University, and then when they near 30 or grow tired of the workplace they seek out a man to “take her away from all of this”, whatever “all of this” may be. In fact her desire to leave the world of work may have been her motivation to have kids in the first place. But now, in her eyes, and definitely her lawyers eyes, she “gave up” her career for her man and his kids. She is now “owed” all of her “lost income”. His gift of leisure and support to her has now become twisted and is viewed as her sacrifice! Another way in which the situation is turned against him is that he will be characterised as being threatened by her having her own career, and that he forced her to quit her “lucrative career” and stay home with the children. Her lawyer will now attempt to convince the judge that he wanted to “oppress” his wife and “keep her down”. Truthfully now, how many men do you personally know that are upset at having a wife that earns a good living? Many of these misleading stereotypes still run rampant in our society, and are routinely used to the woman’s advantage during a divorce. As a result of her not working, regardless of whether she was minding the home or not, she remains a financial liability.

Generous, caring men who spoil their wives should certainly think twice about how this generosity can later be used against them. The phrase used in divorce court is “She has become accustomed to a certain lifestyle”. A husband’s reward for spoiling his wife today is the legal obligation to spoil her indefinitely, forever. Buy her a luxury car today, and you may be obligated to buy her luxury cars after she leaves you for another man! Yet, imagine a husband that became accustomed to eating a home cooked dinner, or regular conjugal visits. Now imagine the courts obligate the ex-wife to continue cooking for him and sharing her bed with him and his new girlfriend each night, despite being divorced! Inconceivable, but it happens the other way around every day!

The ultimate insult, however, comes when the man loses half or more of his life’s assets even when she has decided to leave him. Yes, a wife can unilaterally decide to kick a man out of his own home, and have the courts force him to continue paying the bills, while she is sleeping with her new boyfriend in the very house the husband worked so long and hard to buy! She can, and often does, spend her alimony check on gifts for her new boyfriend or lover! How is it that the legal system supports a woman who feels entitled to this?

The risks are clear, yet what exactly are men getting out of marriage? Many times, the reasons men get married are unfounded.

Many of the traditional reasons why a man gets married are a myth.

“I won’t die alone”
Wrong. The simple fact is that one spouse WILL die alone. Visit the hospital and go to the terminally ill or cardiac departments. Few people have the time to sit with an ill relative all day and all night. Yes, you may get visitors, but they aren’t having the same thoughts as you are. You’re contemplating your mortality, while they’re wondering what food the hospital cafeteria offers. In the end, even with a loving and supportive family, most of us will leave this world alone, unless you both die simultaneously in an accident of some kind. Your spouse may die fifteen years before you, or you may be in the hospital for your last year. Ultimately, we all die alone. Married or not.

“I won’t grow old alone”
Not necessarily. A marriage can self-destruct at any time. Your partner may initiate divorce at age 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65 or 70. Many married people end up in the same position (alone) as if they had never married at all. Now they enter their twilight years broke, as a result of being stripped of half or more of their life’s assets, losing half their retirement and pension funds, and being assessed alimony payments. Experiencing financial devastation from one divorce often may preclude a man from ever marrying again. This is a common observation of many middle-aged Western Women. Q: “Where are all the men?”. A: “He is broke from the divorce settlement, alimony and child support payments.” Thus these women don’t find him marriable, and he grows old alone and poor.

Men are led to believe that not marrying implies only one destiny; that of a solitary monk in a cave, a shunned loner. However, life is not so black and white. Not marrying does not mean you cannot continue to date or have meaningful relationships throughout your life. There are plenty of single people in all age brackets. A bad marriage can be the loneliest of institutions, because most of your emotional outlet and companionship is concentrated into one person who gives back nothing in emotion, affection or support. Young men in their 20’s and 30’s should be more aware of the alternatives that exist in life. They should be aware that marriage is a choice, and is not the only path life has to offer. An informed decision is less likely to be one that is later regretted.

“I’ll get regular sex”
Not from Modern, Western Women. Access to regular sex is the oldest and the most frequently cited reason to marry. Many men now know that Modern, Western Women frequently stop having sex after just a short time of being married. There are plenty of “sexless” marriages. Talk to a few married couples that are honest about their relationship. One or both partners may stop wanting sex after kids, or the sex may be as infrequent as once a year or once every six months, or the wife may only have sex when she wants the husband to buy her something, take her somewhere, or remodel the house. Read the honest opinions of married men on the Internet. Most Western, Married Men will have more sex with their Western Wives in the first six months of their marriage than they will in the next 40 years. Lastly, it remains to be seen whether sex with one exclusive partner for forty years or more is even a natural act, or just a man-made convention. In many Western Nations, the wife is no longer required to have sex with her husband. She can deny him at any time, for any length of time. She can, if she wishes, deny him sex forever and there is nothing that he can do about it. In fact, if he insists that she honor her end of the marriage contract by being available for sexual relations, he can and will be accused of, charged with, and arrested for Domestic Violence, Sexual Assault or Rape.

Marriage is hardly a guarantee of regular sex, as many people are led to believe.

“I’ll have someone to cook and clean for me”
Not necessarily. While a Modern, Western Woman is perfectly justified in quitting her job in the name of staying home with the kids, she can also demand that the husband pay for a cook, a maid, and a nanny. This leaves the man to earn the money, and leaves him to pay for maintenance of household and children, while the wife gets to play at being a housekeeper. Today’s woman is empowered by not performing the traditional housewife duties, regardless of whether she is working or not. If a husband asks that his wife perform traditional household duties because she is not working, he will often be labeled sexist, abusive or controlling, even if he is doing his “traditional role” of paying all the bills, providing for his family, and performing the traditional manly duties of vehicle repairs, maintaining the lawn and house upkeep.

“I have to be married to have kids”
Not anymore. Her ovaries do not physically need a contract at the government center in order to be fertilised by your sperm. Cro-Magnon man had children long before lawyers invented marriage contracts. Often, you do not need to be married in order to share health benefits. You do not need to be married to designate your partner on a life insurance policy. You do not need to be married to own a dream home together. It is ironic that responsible parents who raise a healthy family, but never actually sign marriage paperwork, get less respect than divorced parents or married parents who are ineffective, inattentive or incompetent.

-Having a lifelong, faithful, committed relationship has nothing to do with being “married”.
-Owning a beautiful dream home together has nothing to do with being “married”.
-Rearing healthy, happy, and successful children has nothing to do with being “married”.
-Building a family and life together has nothing to do with being “married”.
-Growing old together has nothing to do with being “married”.

In fact, recent changes in cohabitation, partner and marriage law have proven that the only tangible consequence of marriage is having a formalised separation process that usually requires the talents of an attorney.

You do need to be married in order to throw an extravagant four-hour party, and share the same last name.

You do need to be married in order to involve the state and government in your romantic affairs.

You do need to be married in order give away half of everything you own.

Besides that, marriage does nothing more than introduce lawyers and social workers into your life. These are people that otherwise would have nothing to do with your life or your relationship.

Men need to stop and ask themselves:

“Why exactly am I getting married? What exactly does marriage mean to me in today’s world? What is the benefit to me to get married?”

It is no longer a lifelong commitment, because it can be reversed overnight on her unilateral whim.

Marriage was originally created as a way for families to merge land, property, political power and influence; perhaps people should return to viewing it as just that and nothing more. The rest of it is fake modern TV Fantasy and Tabloid Gossip and Hype polluting the minds of today’s impressionable youth, and a way to keep the multi-billion-per-year wedding industry chugging along. Perhaps the only criteria should be to ask oneself: “How excited am I for us to merge our finances and assets?” When all the fluff and hype are boiled away, that may be the only remaining reality. Spend a day in divorce court, and you’ll see exactly what is real and tangible and lasting about marriage. You’ll see women who signed the marriage contract under romantic pretenses who are now expert laymen attorneys who can cite case law. Bouquet throwing ex-brides now embroiled in warfare to get everything that is coming to them and more! The rest are myths, lies, bold unsubstantiated promises, and maybes. “For better or for worse…”

The Western Divorce rate is 43%. It is higher in some parts of the world such as California, Great Britain and Australia. In Japan the recent change in pension law may have many pensioners out on the street. In India new changes to dowry law have men being threatened by their wives. Consider the number of people who are in a bad marriage, but elect to stay; Men who don’t want to lose 50%, women who know they can’t support themselves alone. Next, think of how many more couples stay together just for the sake of the kids. Of these “forced marriages”, consider how many of these marriages involve infidelity, no sex, or sleeping in separate beds or separate rooms. I estimate the percentage of happy and monogamous marriages to be under 5%. Are these odds you would take in a business venture, investment or loan? Most of the risk-averse population would not. Yet they seek this exception to the rule everyday through marriage.

Feminist Debating Tactics Index

2010-04-11T10:33:00.000-07:00

Thread at Happy Bachelors Forum

Part 1

Part 2

Feminist Debating Tactics Part 2

2010-04-11T10:30:00.000-07:00

Makmorm writes

I have no experience in this area, but it sounds like a hoot. When I debate with people and they start to resort to these sort of tactics I feel like a lion who has the scent of blood in his nostrils. Sadly I find that I don't enjoy debating very much anymore. Invariably when I enter a topical discussion it is dominated by one or several smarty pants jerks on the one side of the contest, with the backing of several trained parrots to back them up with things like "owned", "put up or shut up" or sometimes a clever(?) emoticon. Establishing even basic and reasonable premises can be an arduous task. In my opinion the only viable way is to kick these scum to the gutter, by mercilessly highlighting their stupidity, thus discrediting them. It doesn't get easier though. The ring leader is very much like a school bully. He is good at picking on the new kid, and he's tough when he has his goons with him, but when met with actual resistance he doesn't quite know how to act. This spineless prick will resist your every effort to actually pin him down on something that can be argued effectively.

If there is one thing the internet has taught me it is to be deeply cynical about humanity.

Nice deconstruction of their stupidity spocksdisciple. Good topic to cultivate a knowldge of too. I have this great mind bender I want to try out some time. I wonder how a feminist responds if you just tell them to get fucked. If they get angry you can simply say that that is what I say to men I don't like, you want to be treated differently?

Of course I don't know if I would have the brass to actually do this... some feminists are flipping scary banshee women who scare the absolute crap out of me. I'm sure you know the ones I'm talking about

Dsc writes

This is related:

Dsc also writes

I'm not interested in joining a debate club or anything like that, but I've had it in the back of my mind for some time now that it would be good to have a general knowledge of logical fallacies for discussions/arguments.

After all, who hasn't had a discussion with a moron who says something like, "That's what normal people do!" and takes it as the binding truth?

I just Googled a phrase like 'list of logical fallacies' and found this site:

hxxp://onegoodmove.org/fallacy/toc.htm

I'll have to spend a bit of time getting familiar with the different fallacies..

Fenrisulfr writes

It is best not to bother with the females. I just take the dominant position when one of them raises my ire, and instruct them (yes, instruct, as their mothers never taught them respect!) to be silent in my presence, or to depart. I have only had to this a few times, I credit this to not initiating conversation with women.

Rebel writes in response to Fenrisulfr

Hahahaha!!!. You and I must be clones.... LOL!!!

Your strategy works. I know it because I practice it, too.
Few women around me are willing to engage in such a discussion with me.
So, they compliment me in the best way possible... They call me macho and I thank them profusely when they say that.
Usually, I put some more emphasis on "machissimo".

Sometimes, I say that being a macho is just the opposite of being a piece of dog shit mangina.

I am a macho and mighty proud of it.
And I advertise it.

Misandryindex writes

“Observing comments made by feminists on MRA blogs – or on any blog or forum post which is even slightly critical of any aspect of feminism – for the last few years has made something very clear: feminists have no idea how to debate.”

I don't think they have any real intention of debating.

From what I've seen of feminists, they no more believe in anything they say than tobacco executives who used to say that smoking didn't cause cancer. But they'll go on saying it for as long as they think there's someone dumb enough to believe them, and because their arguments serve their interests. As soon as what they say no longer serves that purpose, they'll move on to something else, even if it is logically the opposite to what they were saying only yesterday.

We've all heard the saying 'In war, Truth is the first casualty'. The divide between the sexes is every bit a war when one sex sees itself united against the other in the struggle to secure resources.

Feminist Debating Tactics Part 1

2010-04-11T10:28:00.000-07:00

Spocksdisciple start the thread Feminist Debating Tactics with this post.

I found this handy little guide to Feminist Debating tactics...

The Feminist’s Guide To Debate Tactics
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by Female Masculinist on October 24, 2009

Observing comments made by feminists on MRA blogs – or on any blog or forum post which is even slightly critical of any aspect of feminism – for the last few years has made something very clear: feminists have no idea how to debate.

This is probably due to the overwhelming feminist hegemony in educational institutions. Women dominate the teaching profession, particularly in grade school, and all of these women are feminists. Girls have a powerful innate need to please the authority figures in their lives, and all they have to do to please their teachers is parrot feminist propaganda on cue. This leaves them completely unprepared for the outside world, where reciting this bunk results in demands that they produce facts and logic, things they have never been asked for before. The poor feminists are startled that their dutiful recitations do not result in a pat on the head, but instead in challenges they do not know how to meet.

So as a public service, I am providing this handy guide for feminists on common debate mistakes. This way, the next time you encounter one of those nasty old misogynists, your attempts at argument will not simply confirm his existing low opinion of women!

Mistake #1: “You’re only saying that because you never get laid!”

There are two problems with this argument. One is that in many cases, it isn’t true. Most of us misogynists started out believing all the bullshit about female equality we heard in school and on TV. It took a great deal of experience with women, in the workplace as well as in dating, to make us realize that in fact, women are very different from men, and in most respects inferior. Most feminists are straight women, so you’ll just have to take my word for this: having sex with women does not in any way enhance respect for women. Quite the contrary.

The second problem is, even if the man you are addressing is celibate, this proves nothing. It has no bearing whatsoever on sex discrimination laws, child custody agreements, polemics about the “male gaze”, women in combat, or anything else you might be debating. A very smart man in ancient Greece called this the “ad hominem” argument. You have probably seen this phrase in internet fora, but it is usually used incorrectly, by people who apparently have no idea what it means but know that it is a bad thing. An “ad hominem” argument is an attack on the person making the argument in lieu of a reasoned rebuttal of the argument itself.

Mistake #2: “You must have a small dick!”

This is another ad hominem argument. Once again, men with small dicks are still capable of stating facts which are correct. Unless you have some scientific studies that show that men with small dicks are always wrong, it’s best not to use this one. Besides which, MRA’s have all heard it so many times that it makes them conclude, probably correctly, that you don’t have any actual information that might back up your contentions. “You must have a small dick!” is basically feminist code for “I have no clue what I’m talking about!”

Mistake #3: (used against female antifeminists) “If it weren’t for feminism, you wouldn’t have the right to keep a blog!”

I have seen this charge levelled against women whose antifeminist opinions are far more moderate than mine. Feminists seem to believe that women used to be barred from the First Amendment until some heroic feminists got us in on it. The fact is, women and men have always had the same degree of freedom of speech. In the days when the Inquisition could burn people at the stake for heresy, men did not get away with any more heresy than women did. In Europe today, men and women, at least white ones, are equally subject to spurious hate speech laws. That women pre-Women’s Lib did not have freedom of speech would have come as a great surprise to Sojourner Truth, Carry Nation, Mary Wollstonecraft, Harriet Beecher Stowe, Abby Kelley Foster, Madame de Stael, Renee Vivien, Radclyffe Hall, Rebecca Protten, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Mary Baker Eddy, Mary Hunt, Elizabeth D. Golek, etc. etc.

If you want to use this argument, if you want it to be taken seriously you must offer the names of these mysterious feminists who gave women the right to blog. Dates and how they went about doing so, as well as some sort of evidence that women used to be kept silent, would also be useful.

Mistake #4: “Okay, so it’s true that women aren’t as good at science and stuff, but that’s because girls are raised differently from boys! If we were raised the same we’d be just as good at it!”

First, we don’t know that. The only reason to think that it is the case is that feminists want to believe it. There is no evidence. Your wishes are not a valid argument.

Second, there is considerable evidence that sex differences are innate. Feminists who try to teach their boys not to be violent are invariably dismayed when their toddling sons use the dolls they’re given as weapons. A boy who was raised as a girl after a botched circumcision knew even before he was eventually told the truth that he wasn’t actually a girl, and the attempt to turn him into one resulted in severe psychological problems; he ended by committing suicide at 38. For more on this, go to my blog and see the sidebar sections on “What Schools Are Doing to Boys” and “Biology Is Destiny”.

Mistake #5: “Women were too busy taking care of children and doing housework to invent things or discover things!”

And just what do you imagine men were doing while your ancestresses were cooking dinner or sewing clothes? The vast majority of them weren’t lounging happily in a library devising the principles of geometry or gazing through a telescope. They were mostly breaking their backs on farmland or in mines or smithies, enduring months of malnutrition and brutality aboard trading ships, getting shot at in armies, and other such fulfilling career paths. Yet somehow, men managed to build civilization in between.

For thousands of years, babies were delivered by midwives. Women had complete control of this profession. It never even occurred to the men who ruled the societies to interfere with midwifery. None of these women with the freedom and opportunity for hands-on experience invented the forceps. Instead, a man named Peter Chamberlen invented them around 1600, when the idea of male doctors delivering babies was still a controversial idea, and one chiefly engaged in by the decadent rich. In other words, men had scarcely arrived on the scene before they were inventing things that women had not imagined in thousands of years.

Commenter Paul came up with another excellent example: for the last few centuries, upper- and middle-class women were encouraged to learn to play musical instruments. A lot of these women had the leisure to spend a great deal of time on their music. Yet there have been very few female composers of any note, and black American men – not a privileged group by any means – invented both blues and jazz.

Finally, in the last few decades a great deal of effort has been expended on “encouraging” women and girls to achieve in traditionally male fields, and the lower and higher education systems are feminist-dominated. Where is the Renaissance of female creativity? Where are the female Leonardos, Isaac Newtons, and Mozarts? Women have made achievements – before and after feminism – but they are not equal to those of men.

Mistake #6: “Men have higher IQs, but that’s because the IQ test doesn’t measure female aptitudes!”

First, demanding that the rules be changed because you are losing impresses no one.

Second, the historical fact is that the IQ test is rigged in favor of women.

“The one exception to the general rule that different groups or populations usually differ in average IQ is that both sexes have approximately the same average IQ on most tests. This is not, however, a true empirical finding but a consequence of the manner in which the tests were first constructed…the two sexes were defined to have equal intelligence rather than discovered to have equal intelligence.” (Evans and Waites, 1981, 168).
(Evans, B.. & Waites, B. (1981). IQ and mental testing: An unnatural science and its social history. London, UK: Macmillan.)

More discussion of the slanting of the IQ test to minimize differences between men and women can be read here, here, here, and here. And despite the slanting in women’s favor, men still score consistently higher on them.

Mistake #7: “I guess Thomas Jefferson’s slave mistress wasn’t oppressed then, huh!”

Hijacking the misfortunes of other groups – slavery, the Holocaust, indentured servitude, dhimmitude, the potato famine, etc. – is tacky and does not prove that women are equal to men.

Mistake #8: “I cannot believe how ignorant you are!”

I think that feminists don’t know what the word “ignorant” means. It means that the person doesn’t know something. For example, I am ignorant of the Mandarin word for “insect”, because I have never studied Mandarin.

The only way this charge would make sense would be if you thought that the person you were talking to had never heard the glad tidings that women are equal to men. Unless you can come up with convincing evidence that someone on this planet hasn’t heard this nonsense, calling an MRA “ignorant” makes no sense whatever. We have all heard the feminist gospel. We aren’t ignorant of it. We simply don’t believe it. Indeed, given that feminists apparently believe that it was a heroic feminist campaign that won women the right to keep blogs and clearly don’t know that IQ tests are slanted against men, you are clearly the ignorant ones.

Of course, as a male blogger pointed out and I discussed, what women actually mean when they say this is that it’s stupid to believe unfashionable things because unconventional opinions make it harder to be socially accepted. For women, who are by nature dependent creatures, this is of paramount importance; the abstract value of truth has little appeal for most women.

Mistake #9: “I think this site must be a joke! You’re a troll!”

The world is full of people who disagree with you. Facing this fact is part of growing up.

Mistake #10: “You’re just too immature to handle a relationship with an independent woman!”

First, see #1. “Ad hominem”, remember that?

Roger Devlin handled this one quite ably:

A highly successful women’s magazine editor has written a book of advice for young wives stating: “Giving, devoting, sacrificing … these are the actions of a good wife, no? No. These are the actions of a drudge, a sucker, a sap.” Instead, women are urged to emulate a wife who threw her husband’s clothes into the garden to teach him not to leave socks on the floor: “He understood I meant it.” Or another who wanted her husband to help with the laundry, and hollered at him: “Are you a f***ing retard that you don’t see me running up and down stairs? Listen to me and stop your bulls**t.” Or another who discovered this interpersonal skill: “Just stand there and start screaming. If you stand there and scream long enough, someone is going to realize that you’re standing in the middle of the room screaming [and ask] ‘Why are you screaming?’” (pp. 245-47)

What could be wrong with men these days that they refuse to commit?

Mistake #11: “I am so very upset by what you’ve said! I nearly fainted! I almost threw up! I am trembling in horror!”

Evolution has designed women to use their emotions to manipulate their mates into providing for them and tending to them. We know you can’t really help it, but in a debate, particularly one about the alleged equality of women, it isn’t appropriate.

We know that a lot of what you’re doing here is putting on a display for other feminists. “See how terribly upset I am by this heresy! I am one of you! I am, like, totally sincere!”

But when debating with us, all that such “arguments” do is convince us that we’re right, that women should, for the most part, be kept out of masculine realms such as industry and science, because they are too weak to endure hearing facts they don’t like.

When Nancy Hopkins responded to Larry Summers mentioning the possibility that men might be somewhat naturally better suited to science – he even added, “I hope it isn’t true” – by fleeing from the room in a nauseated swoon, all she actually accomplished was to demonstrate to the world that women are too delicate and fragile for serious business like science. Do male scientists flee from the room when they hear hypotheses they hope aren’t true? Even black men respond more constructively to discussion of the black-white IQ gap.

If this is how women react to disagreement, it is a matter of public safety to keep them legally unequal:

Somebody in the Massachusetts Department of Motor Vehicles needs to look into suspending Dr Hopkins driver’s license. She obviously doesn’t need to be driving.

Now, I’m not saying that women can’t drive, nor am I implying that Ms Hopkins’ remarks are evidence in that direction. Republican women mostly seem to do ok at it, anyway.

However, given her self-reported reactions to Summers remarks, what would happen if she were driving down the street and accidentally punched up Rush Limbaugh on the radio, for example? Rush makes one of his “feminazi” jokes, and she throws up and blacks out.

When she then plows into a busload of innocent children, the blood will be on Rush’s hands, obviously. Still, that doesn’t help The Children.

Source: Should Nancy Hopkins be driving?

Also? Just because you don’t like something doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

Mistake #12: “What are you smoking and where can I get some?”

This was funny the first 5,000 times we heard it, but it’s getting old. More importantly, it’s irrelevant. I don’t use illegal substances, but even if my bloodstream were a cocktail of half the things Americans can be arrested for using, I might still be right.

Mistake #13: “Just because I’m wrong about the trivial details doesn’t mean that there were no Battles To Be Fought for women’s rights.”

Vague, sweeping assertions are not a viable argument. Those “trivial details” you can’t be bothered with are. If you don’t have any concrete facts, your rhetoric is just that.

So what kind of arguments will MRAs listen to?

We like facts. Go looking for dates, names, legislation, documentation, and statistics. Find a scientific study, if you can, that indicates that women might in some field have the potential to be equal to men. Find statistics showing that society has become better in some way since women’s privilege, er I mean feminism, took root. Of course, you’re at a disadvantage here, since all of the facts show that women are innately inferior, that women of superior achievement will always be in the minority, and that women’s liberation leads to all sorts of social pathologies – rampant divorce, child abuse, inflation, eating disorders, and a general lowering of standards so that women can keep up. But if you hope to change our minds, you’ll have to try to find some facts that support your case instead of ours. Good luck!

Simple Steps to Ghosting

2010-04-11T10:06:00.000-07:00

Link to Happy Bachelors Forum

Here is a post made by hhb

1. Do not fight the system. You will lose and the system is totally fucked up.

2. Never disclosed the essence of your personal beliefs and values to anyone, especially to women. Live in stealth mode. Tell people what they want to hear.

3. Never trust a woman that is nice to you. Remember, that all women want something.

4. Never discuss politics, MRA, economics, religion with anyone. Remember, the public is full of non-thinking idiots that parrots sound bites.

5. Be the best you can be at all times. Learn new skills. Show people that you are the best.

6. Never lose control or patience with women. View all women as you would with the same disgust as you would of homosexual males. Remember, most women are mediocre people at best.

7. Never be afraid to get rid of old friends.

8. Stay in shape with exercise.

9. Keep a positive outlook no matter what happens. Never get mad or have rage against anyone or anything it is not worth it. Most people do not have an impact on your life.

10. Avoid television and pop culture at all costs.

11. Avoid single mothers with kids like the plague.

12. Never do any harm. Let others live in their own misery.

13. Never have sex with women. A woman’s vagina is a cesspool of disease and filth. Today’s independent women have the same amount of STD’s and HIV as the average prostitute.

14. Never get married. The little sex you will receive does not outweigh the aggravation and financial ruin that will eventually happen.

15. Learn to be happy living by yourself. Stay busy.

16. Develop a mission in life.

Marriage Strike (Boycott) Index

2010-04-10T22:24:00.000-07:00

Thread at Happy Bachelors Forum

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Part 4

Marriage Strike (Boycott) Part 4

2010-04-10T22:23:00.002-07:00

B17909 writes

After my divorce in 1991, I vowed never to get married. The judge treated me like a criminal;
he treated her like a innocent, helpless woman.

I've kept my vow. I have a good job, my own home, plenty of toys, and lots of freedom. I've
met four women who would have gladly sunk the marriage hook into me. I spit the thing out
each time. I gave up dating because I grew weary of dealing with the emotional demands of
the women I was meeting. And eventually, they all want to hook you. The vagina isn't worth sacrificing my self-esteem, losing lots of money, giving up my freedom, and destroying my happiness. I know there are very few women with good character, the kind that honor a marriage commitment. So, I live my life without the ball and chain the typical western woman represents. If the government wants to make lots of money, it should establish single guy relief centers. Stock the centers with prime young women, 18-30 years of age. Single guys could go there, pay $100-200 for a service, and leave happy. When younger guys ask me about marriage, I caution them against the numerous pitfalls. If they want sex, I tell them to find a women who puts out easily and proceed with protection. The women who were worth marrying, the ladies before feminism and liberal divorce laws are long gone. Older men can find women who don't want a relationship, but do want sex. I am happy to see younger men avoiding marriage. With a 50-50 chance of divorce, marriage represents a huge trap.

HBB writes

Read any article written by the average woman in the media -- or a neutered mangina -- and one will be fooled into thinking that the reason marriages are on the decline is because "women are choosing not to get married" or some other such tripe that ineffectively attempts to hide the truth of the matter.

The actual reason for the decline of marriages -- which is well-documented -- is not because "women don't want to get married" (a bitter anthem recited in retaliation to men's rejection of marriage.) but due to "The Marriage Strike."

According to the article: "A 'marriage strike' is the social phenomenon of men seeking to avoid marriage. The 'marriage strike' specifically refers to the action of men living within the Western world.

Advocates of the marriage strike believe that after a considered cost-benefit analysis, the legal contract that is modern marriage no longer represents an attractive option for men living in the West's changed legal, economic, sociological, cultural and demographic environment. Advocates of the marriage strike believe that marriage is unfair and consequently men are avoiding marriage. They hold that through the combination of laws permitting no-fault divorce and prevailing conditions in divorce courts that are substantially more likely to favor the wife over the husband in disputes over child custody, visitation rights, ownership of the family residence and other shared property, child support, and alimony. It is possible for a woman to divorce her husband unilaterally while simultaneously depriving him of the right to see his offspring and financially crippling him. They argue that since the divorce rate is high, and since women are more likely than men to seek no-fault divorce, scenarios like the above are a likely outcome of marriage, and that many men, fearing such an outcome, choose not to marry."

So once again we see that the pro-female claims -- made by women -- to the tune of "women don't want to get married" given as the reason for the decline in marriages is like so many other statements written by angry women today; nothing but hot air.

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Wow another Great Write up. Since I will book mark this one as well, I'm going to put a link in this post for first time guest readers.

Here I Googled the term "Marriage Strike" I personally would have preferred the term "Marriage Boycott" myself. This is because Strike gives the implication that I once was married and would consider Marriage of the conditions ever became some what decent. Boycott on the other hand gives the implication that I never have married and I will never get married. This fits my description much better.

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Marriage Strike (Boycott) Part 3

2010-04-10T22:23:00.001-07:00

Sjenner writes

Men can be happy and at peace by engaging in hobbies, business pursuits and education. I plan to get back into martial arts and even scuba diving and my pilot license by training as well as finish writing books and complete my MS/MBA degrees. This frees me from the trap of dealing with American skanks.

Superbad writes

sjenner... WONDERFUL ideas! i LOVE hobbies. i sometimes sit with pen and paper and define what i want in life. girls, even decent ones (rare here) will complicate your life 1000 fold. i know men who married "perfect" women. in time the gals change some and the men are stuck paying bills, running errands, disciplining kids, etc... it's a MASSIVE CHI DRAIN. most will say they are "happy" but to me it rings more of "i am happy compared to the raw deal i could have got and BTW, I'M STUCK." it is also easy to ASSUME that guys walking around with hot babes are having loads of fun with them in the sack... this is usually NOT the case. i knew guys in college with EXTREMELY pretty gfs who said they had all kinds of sex hangups. at our age the PINNACLE that most men have "achieved" socially is a life of guilt-inspired servatude... thrown in with the occasional "been there, done that" sex. you and i can hop on a plane and get a nude massage from a SEXY 20 year old. the few men who have not been DESTROYED by a bad marriage may be "happy" but rest assured most of them would "KILL" to be... a HAPPY BACHELOR.

irlandes writes

There are several forms of true freedom. I cannot imagine anyone being in hock for $100,000; $250,000; $1,000,000 for a stupid house to live in. Not even if you are going to live there alone.

Two hundred years ago, it took a real carpenter to build a house. They used a complex system of drilling holes and fitting pieces and driving in pins to hold a building together through almost anything but fire, I guess.

They developed the modern system of nails and boards so anyone with no special training could build a house. Today, once again, it takes a master carpenter to build the house by a design invented so it did not take a carpenter.

In my younger years, I did a lot of study on different kinds of housing. One of my favorites still is taking a nice cave, and lining it with foam insulation as needed. Tornado proof. Bomb proof. And somewhat impervious to the weather extremes. There is a shortage of livable caves, I guess.

Another minimal design is to build a hog farrowing shed such as my dad had for his sows. Take a couple boards, I forget, probably 8 X 8 inches by maybe 12 feet. Lay maybe 10 foot planks across them, nailed securely. Even lag screws if you prefer.

Lay 2 x 4's around the edge, then run up studs, remembering the walls on the side should slope so the roof will have an angle. On top of the studs (this is not actually how it is done, the walls are laid out on the ground then stood up as a wall assembly, but I am not going to give all the details here) put 2 X 4s parallel to the ground. then run rafters across this for one side. Put plywood or boards, based on prices, around for walls, remembering to leave some doors and windows.

Cover the roof with roll roofing, pop in cheap windows, and if you prefer purchased door, though you can make one yourself.

You may want to put insulation in the walls, if you need it in the floor, you might need to build up a floor above the planks to allow for insulation.

With a small fuel oil heater, and chimney, or even a small lp burner, you are set for bad weather.

If you want a modern life, get electricity, and running water, and pop in a stool and shower, or not. If you enjoy the primitive life, burn wood from the forest, which requires access to a forest.

My dad raised hundreds of hogs in buildings like this. Even today, only a few hundreds of dollars. For several thousand, a really nice little house.

So, why can't you do it? Because almost everywhere the people the founders worried about have taken over and decreed that not only must all men marry and become slaves to women, but they cannot possibly survive in a house that costs less than hundreds of thousands of dollars.

No matter the first time the wind blows, the electricity goes out for days, and the house blows down. We gotta' live in cadence Hut Too Tree Fore!

In the 70's I worked with a moron who was on our county zoning commission. He once told me that his right to float down a river and see nothing but trees was more important than my right to build a house of my own design, even on my own private property. He was not joking. I never ceased to be amazed at how brilliant our founders were, and how well they understood these people who tend to move into government authority, and how anti-liberty they always are.

Mrreality writes

I detest western society. The land is beautiful. However, the people and their social customs feed on drama. That's why reality shows are so popular. Freedom is being criminalized. If you refuse to work for the system society starves you until you break. Its not some mystery government that is doing this to us. Its the very people you call friends and associates. The government is the people. And governments can only do what the people ALLOW it to do. What's sad is that when you try to work for yourself rather than the system. Hundreds of people (and problems) come out of the woodwork to stop you from succeeding. That's because this country doesn't want freedom it wants slaves.

Its the people. The people are the true government. The people allow this to happen and you see it everytime you mention men being free of supporting women and the system. The average man or woman will become very angry, claim you are shirking your "responsibility", and start using shaming language. Its the people that enforce slavery on one another. They oppress one another through their actions and deeds.

If at one time a person is on your side it is almost inevitable that they will betray you and support your enemies. This is because we have seen the enemy time and time again. WE are the enemy. You want to stop misandry and oppression? Start building your own communities. Control your spending and keep it in the community. Ostracize ANYONE that does not support this goal. There will be snakes that will attempt to "side with you" hoping that years down the road they can wreck what you have built. Don't fall for it. When they reveal what they truly are; take care of them.

This is serious...there is no invisible bad guy. All great men of the past understood that the government was composed of the people and thus not autonomous. Ever notice how when you mention the struggles you face as a man others will automatically counter with something they are supposedly going through? We cross paths with the enemy and friends of the international bankers everyday. They are your so called friends, wives, fathers, mothers, cousins, etc.

The average American oppressor lies daily and frequently. They also claim to be oppressed themselves while helping to kick you down or lying to you constantly. Its no different than when the Nazis claimed the Jews were "oppressing" them. There is nothing new under the sun. People are barbaric. They don't change. They just tell you whatever they feel will make you think differently of them then continue to be the same screwed up people they have always been. Be aware of these things men.

Take care..

Marriage Strike (Boycott) Part 2

2010-04-10T22:22:00.000-07:00

Modelautoman writes

Just when did the marriage strike first take conception?

Spocksdisciple responds to Modelautoman with this post

I am not sure that the marriage strike was planned and conceived, I think it was more of a stochastic semi random occurrence which was the logical outcome of the gender war. Many men came to the logical conclusion that women were not worth the effort and started to live their lives accordingly.

This all probably came about during the late 80s with a small but growing number of men following the MGTOW path, as the marriage situation and laws deteriorated the number of disillusioned men reached a critical point where our absence from the dating scene became noticeable I would say around 10 years ago.

A mathematician could probably pinpoint a year when this kind of mating(or not) strategy started to take hold and grow, you could probably pinpoint it based on marriage/divorce and single status census data.
Like all the best political/cultural movements in history this one started spontaneously and then became self sustaining.

I believe we are probably coming up to a point where MGTOW will sooner rather then later break into the mainstream conscientiousness.
When that happens we need to make sure that it's men holding the moral high ground because the fems and women in general will then try to portray us as a viable threat to society and attempt to isolate and stigmatize the MGTOW movement.
We as bachelors need to lead a positive life as an open example to these femnazis and manginas that we don't need nor want their approval/attention.

As I stated, if we lose the moral high ground and PR war I can see feminazis declaring male bachelorhood as being dangerous for society as a whole.
If you think staring at a child in Maine is a stupidly insane law(felony), wait till you see what the feminists may try to put on the docket.
How about "restricted" zones where single males are not allowed to venture?(they have the female equivalent in the Middle East) How about legislation controlling where bachelors can and cannot live? ie. high spec housing and apartments to be reserved for married couples, single mothers and single women, bachelors can live down by the railroad tracks where they belong.

If you think these are silly notions just drop by any radical feminist websites and have read on what they think about single men.
Calling us Peter Pans and trying to shame us back into line hasn't worked, so it's time for stronger medicine. What the feminists cannot and will not allow is for us men to "disengage" they absolutely need an enemy, and if they can't find one, they'll manufacture one instead. Bachelors are a high value and convenient target.
Only by living a proud and clean life by example without feeling any shame or remorse will we communicate the message that life without women is indeed possible, not only that but it can be sweet and men can be successful without women in their lives.

Irlandes writes

A reminder that in most states the prenup agreement is not worth the paper it is written on. State law in most states allows the judge to tear it up if the judge feels the result is injust. So, even in a short term marriage, assume Cupcake will get at least 1/3 of your assets if you have any no matter how many prenups she signs.

Superbad writes
we NEED a SEMEN strike. without babies women would panic. MEN do NOT dream of huge homes, picket fences, wedding bells, and babies. we dream about 1000 horsepower trucks, living in a cabin... with a nymphomaniac... and Chinese food.

Arcangel911 writes

Actually, i dream of a huge house, perched on a cliff over looking the beach, with the size and all the fixings of the playboy mansion... in Thailand. (Eastern European, South American and Asian women only though. Don't need an AW/WW screwing up my dream there, cause they already did it in this country.)

Spocksdisciple responds to Superbad with this post

A semen strike wouldn't work, those women who could not get it at home will get it outside of the country.
What women really hate about the marriage strike is the growing absence of suckers willing to marry them, they can have a kid anytime with some thug or player and they would won't mind having one but they need that extra income which the thug wouldn't provide. Hence they need suckers and the marriage strike is a drought they don't want to see happening.

My guess would be that they'll have babies regardless but they'll raise taxes for everyone else to support their deliberate choice of being a single mother.
Look no farther then octomom for a role model.

Cobalt writes

Superbad wrote: "MEN do NOT dream of huge homes, picket fences, wedding bells, and babies. we dream about 1000 horsepower trucks, living in a cabin... with a nymphomaniac... and Chinese food."

Amen brother. But here's my variation:

Got the log cabin (on a lake). No truck, but got a red convertible sports car (it has 2 seats, which means that it seats two - which is more than enough). Got the willing woman, but she doesn't live with me - even better - she lives 20 miles away. Which means that I get to do my thing, and then put the top down, drive home, and then....do my thing. Got Chinese whenever I want it. And pizza. And KFC. And DVDs from the library (the price is right).

Life is good.

Marriage Strike (Boycott) Part 1

2010-04-10T22:21:00.000-07:00

Evergreen started a thread called “Marriage Strike” here is what Evergreen had to say

Expensive fees affiliated with divorce. Sooner or later, you will fall out of love. Whether it's cheating, together too long, boredom etc.. Nomatter HOW you slice it, it comes up peanuts! Save your money for the next relationship!

Don't listen to the "Relationship Specialists" on CL.. They actually admit they're divorced, some more than once, cheating or cheated, going after their significant other for child support etc etc... The ONLY way to win is NOT to playProtect your bank account. This will create lots of angry rebuttals which proves women are after your money..

Thanks & have a nice day! >=)

(Here Evergreen found a link to what some man posted on craigslist but that link doesn’t work anymore but he did copy and paste the article here so enjoy!)

Enjoy!!

"Why Men Won't Commit":

Exploring Young Men's Attitudes About Sex, Dating and Marriage," a study released by researchers Barbara Dafoe Whitehead and David Popenoe of the National Marriage Project at Rutgers University, concludes that men are, indeed, more apprehensive about getting married than before.

"The median age of first marriage for men has reached 27, the oldest age in our nation's history," Mr. Popenoe remarked in the Washington Times. "If this trend of men waiting to marry continues, it is likely to clash with the timing of marriage and childbearing for the many young women who hope to marry and bear children before they begin to face problems associated with declining fertility," he continued. You know this is a collegiate study when an examination of a trend that is affecting men is used to fret about the state of women.

The study contains several possible explanations for this phenomenon, based on interviews with 60 single men, 25 to 33, who live in four parts of the country. While that level of measurement certainly is not statistically significant enough to reflect any kind of a national trend, responses generally revolved around the possibilities of suffering huge losses if the marriage ends in divorce. ("An ex-wife will take you for all you've got" and "men have more to lose financially than women" were common
refrains, the study reports.)

To humor the study's results for a few minutes, let's examine whether or not these young men's concerns are justified. If we accept the old feminist argument that marriage is slavery for women, then it is undeniable that -- given the current state of the nation's family courts -- divorce is slavery for men.

Take a hypothetical husband who marries and has two children. There is a 50 percent likelihood that this marriage will end in divorce within eight years, and if it does, the odds are 2-1 it will be the wife who initiates the divorce. It may not matter that the man was a decent husband. The reality of the situation is that few divorces are initiated over abuse or because the man has already abandoned the family. Nor is adultery cited as a factor by divorcing women appreciably more than by divorcing men.

The new trend that has taken hold of the court system is what as known as the "no fault" divorce, in which the filing party needs only to cite their general discontent with the marriage in order to be granted a hearing. Women initiate these unilateral divorces-on-demand 3 times as often as men.

While the courts may grant the former spouses joint legal custody, the odds are nearly 40 to 1 of the wife winning physical custody. Overnight, the husband, accustomed to seeing his kids every day and being an integral part of their lives, will now be lucky if he is allowed to see them even one day out of the week.

Once the couple is divorced, odds are at least even that the wife will interfere with the husband's visitation rights. Three-quarters of divorced men surveyed say their ex-wives have interfered with their visitation, and 40 percent of mothers studied admitted that they had done so, and that they had generally acted out of spite or in order to punish their exes.

Then, of course, there is the issue of financial losses due to court-imposed payments. In the end (99 times out of 100), the wife will keep most of the couple's assets and --if they jointly own one -- the house. The husband will need to set up a new residence and pay at least a third of his take-home pay to his ex in child support, on top of whatever alimony payments the courts impose upon him. These can run as high as another third of his income. (Add the cost of taxes to that and the man gets to keep exactly 13% of his take-home pay -- he'd better pray that's enough to keep him alive.)

But as bad as all of this is, it would still make our hypothetical man one of the lucky ones. After all, he could be one of those fathers who cannot see his children at all because his ex has made a false accusation of domestic violence, child abuse, or child molestation. Or a father who can only see his own children under supervised visitation or in nightmarish visitation centers where dads are treated like criminals.

He could be one of those fathers whose ex has moved their children hundreds or thousands of miles away, in violation of court orders, which courts often do not enforce. He could be one of those fathers who tears up his life and career again and again in order to follow his children, only to have his ex-wife continually move them.

He could be one of the fathers who has lost his job, seen his income drop, or suffered a disabling injury, only to have child support arrearages and interest pile up to create a mountain of debt which he could never hope to pay off. Or a father who is forced to pay 70 percent or 80 percent of his income in child support because the court has imputed an unrealistic income to him. Or a dad who suffers from one of the child support enforcement system's endless and difficult to correct errors, or who is jailed because he cannot keep up with his payments. Or a dad who reaches old age impoverished because he lost everything he had in a divorce when he was middle-aged and did not have the time and the opportunity to earn it back. Our imaginary man might consider himself lucky if he knew what his life could have been.

Over five million divorced men in America are currently experiencing the situation I just outlined. Without a doubt, their stories and experiences are heard by unmarried men. Can anyone truly blame the men for having apprehension? They stand to gain little and lose everything they've worked for in their entire lives should they "take the plunge", so to speak.

So ladies, if you have a problem with this, speak to your feminist brethren. This is the legacy which they have left behind. By erasing the stigma of premarital sex and encouraging physical liberation, they have eliminated one of the most powerful incentives in history for men to tie the knot. By advocating government as a surrogate husband in the case of single motherhood, they have eliminated the disincentive for women to file for divorce. And through decades of litigious activism, they have given rise to the bloated and intrusive family court system and stacked it so egregiously against the men of this country that it now appears they are subconsciously engaging in what could be called a "marriage strike", preferring to play the odds rather than assume a massively disproportionate amount of risk.

As for the men, make no mistake, they are slowly beginning to realize that the power is now in their favor. They have more and more perfectly legitimate reasons for remaining unmarried every day. Given a choice between not marrying one's lady friend -- assuming no risk whatsoever and still having the historical benefits of marriage (sex, companionship, etc.) available to them, or marrying the woman and having a 50-50 chance of their lives being utterly destroyed should the woman so much as be "unhappy" with the marriage, the decision is a no-brainer. What women perceive as a "fear of commitment" is really nothing more than a pragmatic assessment of the odds facing men in the prospect of a marriage.

Therefore, the trends evident in this study are not much of a surprise. I would wager that if the study were conducted nationally, similar results would be produced. Of course, such a study would invariably seek to address the grievances of the dejected single women of the country. My advice to them would be simple: offer to sign a prenuptial agreement that outlines the exact terms of a possible divorce: how assets would be divided, how any alimony and child support would be handled, and other vital elements that may be causing apprehension. And don't be insulted if your potential mate asks you to sign one, or if he desires terms that will be equitable to him. No matter how strong your love may be for one another, the demand for eligible bachelors willing to commit to marriage is currently exceeding the supply, and if you won't sign it, odds are that there's another woman out there who will.

A 'marriage strike' is the social phenomenon of men seeking to avoid marriage. The 'marriage strike' specifically refers to the action of men living within the Western world. Advocates of the marriage strike believe that after a considered cost-benefit analysis, the legal contract that is modern marriage no longer represents an attractive option for men living in the West's changed legal, economic, sociological, cultural and demographic environment.

Introduction To "Marriage Strike". The HOT New Alternative to Marriage!!
Advocates of the marriage strike believe that marriage is unfair and consequently men are avoiding marriage. They hold that through the combination of laws permitting no-fault divorce and prevailing conditions in divorce courts that are substantially more likely to favor the wife over the husband in disputes over child custody, visitation rights, ownership of the family residence and other shared property, child support, and alimony. It is possible for a woman to divorce her husband unilaterally while simultaneously depriving him of the right to see his offspring and financially crippling him. They argue that since the divorce rate is high, and since women are more likely than men to seek no-fault divorce, scenarios like the above are a likely outcome of marriage, and that many men, fearing such an outcome, choose not to marry.

There have been numerous studies showing that a range of 60 to 93 percent of no-fault divorces in the United States were initiated by women, usually against a man who works a blue-collar job, for grounds cited as "emotional unfulfillment."

Legal Causations of Emerging Western Marriage Strike
Divorce Penalty
Marriage, while being publicly understood as a union between man and woman, is also a legal contract. On divorce, the deems that a legal contract is considered broken, and legal consequences come into effect. There is a dissolution of the previously shared financial assets of the married couple. Assets are divided for distribution to both parties by a court ruling. Typically, a woman will receive 50% ownership of the couple's assets on initiation of divorce. These assets include property, housing, vehicles, savings, and investments.

No-fault divorce
No-fault divorce is divorce in which the dissolution of a marriage does not require fault of either party to be shown, or, indeed, any evidentiary proceedings at all. It occurs on petition to the court, typically a family court by either party, without the requirement that the petitioner show fault on the part of the other party. Either party may request, and receive, the dissolution of the marriage, despite the objections of the other party.

Divorce and Children
In the Western world, family law is structurally more likely to award child custody to a child's mother in the case of divorce. This legal situation results in fathers often having very limited access to their children after divorce. In an attempt to balance the rights and needs of the mother, father, and children, courts may award a couple joint custody of their children after divorce.

Male Alternatives to Marriage
Cohabitation Without Marriage
Proponents of the marriage strike advise that men should simply cohabit (live with a girlfriend), and not actually marry. Living with a girlfriend presents a legally safer alternative, with marriage's benefits to men, with a reduction in the penalties found within marriage.

De-facto Law:

However, it should be noted that family law can also be applied in some Western nations (e.g. Australia, Brazil etc) to de-facto relationships such as these. After a certain length of time, the breakup of a non-marriage, live-in relationship can legally result in a man losing his assets to his 'de-facto wife', as considered by the law. In addition, a man would still be liable to pay child support (which is often at punitive levels) for any children he has with his live-in girlfriend.

Pre-nuptial Agreement
A prenuptial agreement, commonly abbreviated to 'prenup', is a contract entered into by two people prior to marriage. The content of a prenuptial agreement can vary widely, but commonly includes provisions for the division of property should the couple divorce and any rights to spousal support during or after the dissolution of marriage.

Prenuptial agreements are not always fully recognized by law in case of divorce; in Britain, they are not recognised at all. Prenuptial agreements are, at best, a partial solution to obviating some of the risks of marital property disputes in times of divorce. They are not the final word.

When making a prenuptial agreement in the US, many individuals identify the duration of the contract because, in some states, prenups expire after 10 years unless otherwise specified.

Foreign Women
Full article: Mail-order bride

Another form of the marriage strike is to single out only American women, or women from any English-speaking country (such as the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand) for shunning. English-speaking women are characterized as rude, aloof, selfish, brainwashed by feminism. Instead, such marriage strikers encourage men to marry women from other, usually developing, countries. Most often mentioned countries are Latin American, Eastern European, or Asian countries, such as the Philippines, Thailand, Japan, Mexico, Colombia, Brazil, Russia, Ukraine and Poland. They state that such women are more likely to appreciate marriage than American women and are much less likely to divorce. Some even go so far as to urge the men to move to the other country and live there rather than bring the foreign wife back to the United States, in case she gets "infected" by feminist ideas; citing horror stories of foreign women using the man for a green card and ripping him off.

In 2005, the International Marriage Broker Regulation Act was passed, placing restrictions on visas given to women who meet an American man through an online dating service. Many marriage strikers have assailed the law as an attempt to protect American women from foreign competition, as a sort of "love tariff". In fact, despite the term "mail-order bride", most marriages between American men and foreign women do not use "mail-order bride" services. However, IMBRA can come into effect from any online correspondence, not just through a dating service.

I will go one step further and differentiate between Western women vs. non-Western women. This is not just an American phenomenon; most women in Western countries have that cold, bitchy, superficial, stuck up attitude. Many Western women hold themselves as the pure center of the relationship. If the men do not fit a rigid and unrealistic criteria or she doesn't feel the man can take care of her enough (even if she has a higher paying job) then she will drop him like a hot potato, regardless of his character or commitment to the relationship.

If you can make it to 30 unscathed, you will be home free

2010-04-10T18:35:00.000-07:00

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Once a man hits his 30's, he has crossed the finish line and defeated the Matriarchy in my opinion, and only by a conscientious choice does he choose to become a matriarchal drone worker (via marriage in the Anglosphere) or not - but he cannot blame anything but his own choice once he is in his 30's - hormones cannot be blamed, naive love or infatuation cannot be blamed, brainwashing by the Matriarchy cannot be blamed, etc.

His choice only is to blame if he returns to his own vomit, to speak in the biblical sense.

I see this very clear now that I am in my 30's, as many older single men have told me, and as our guest connaisseur has pointed out with his terminology of the fog of testosterone subsiding.

Having heeded the voices of those much older than me, that were single, successful, and lived grand lives, to stay the course of bachelorhood and focus on my goals in life, I clearly see the fruition of such a lifestyle.

A small glimpse of the finish banner in my latter 20's, the emergence of the finish line and waiting crowd ready to cheer when I turned 30, and now the finish line being crossed with the cheering crowd as I move into my 30's.

Victory is sweet.

You bet I'm the Pan

2010-04-10T18:33:00.000-07:00

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Contrary to popular misconceptions that men, such as myself, that live in Neverland, the Promise Land, or Whatever Land to those trapped in their miserable lives; that we, as free and single men, are simply trying to escape reality by extending adolescence, forsaking being and becoming responsible adults, not fulling societal expectations and other nonsense designed to steal our freedom and liberty to be men - and great and awesome men at that by doing our own thing, our way, like the God that we're under - I would have to say, that creating my own reality is better than the status quo reality propagated throughout America as "normal".

Consider:

News has become sensational in America - for women or the feminine mindset runs and controls most news media, so why would I care or pay attention to such news stories emanating from what was formerly call the mainstream media or newspapers of record, which I think too many men still actually pay attention to. This woman run media is not reporting news, but using the media as a vehicle to push and propagate their cult of woman worldview on the deluded masses. The feminine is the default for righteousness, correct behavior, and thinking. The masculine is not.

Religious institutions in America are largely and by far composed of women, and they influence the structure and discourse of, which I have no particular care to join such or be a part of. Sure, I'll pop in for major holidays with the family, then split with haste once all the spinster women see me as a target of opportunity.

Educational establishments are not teaching anything of value to students, whether high school or college or what not, so unless one goes to higher education for math or science, a trade school alternative, or better yet, learn it yourself by self-study - you are basically learning useless knowledge about whatever propaganda might be the topic of the day per a certain professor or teacher. Been there, fuck that, I got a hard science degree and making tons of money to burn and light my cigars with.

And so on and so forth with most of everything that once had value for men in America...

I was talking with this average everyday American woman that I know, college educated and so forth, and as she was telling me about certain news stories she found regarding relationships and her opinions on them. No intelligent discourse at all, no debate on the validity of such an article, or counter position, no injection of a religious worldview for comparison, so I simply told her I could could care less about such stories and her opinion on them. End of conversation.

As I grow older, I have become less and less tolerant of the stupidity and nonsense that continuously comes out of American women.

I don't care what so and so said in such and such an article about relationships between men and women, or what or how many college degrees a woman has that makes her an expert on whatever, or how I should be as a man per cultural or societal expectation from the gods of morality (religious leaders, politicos, tribal chiefs, whatever.)

This is because, I set the terms and conditions of:

1) Any relationship.
2) Being a man per my own glorious presence.
3) Culture and societal expectations that I decide to choose to follow.
4) Fashionable as I see fit.
5) People that I decide to allow in my presence of greatness.

I will bend the world to my will, not the other way around, and if being the Pan makes it happen, all the better.

Bachelor Declaration

2010-04-10T18:32:00.000-07:00

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Author: Ball248

This is my command - to spread this Declaration to all MGTOW and never surrender it to outsiders for they have no knowledge or wisdom in living well and free forever.

We, like many other men, live the bachelor lifestyle where we live the way we want without anyone telling us what to do. There is no wife or girlfriend to nag us OR drag us into doing something we don't want to do. No kids to support. Probably not even a pet (well, maybe a dog or a great car). Let's face it: we are the growing mainstream demographic of the American/Western culture that has been created because of the women's liberation movement. When it used to be where the man would work and the woman would stay at home, take care of the kids, and do the domestic chores are no more. Women, however, are now entitled to their liberation and can join the men at the workplace should they choose to do so. But since the women are no longer obligated to provide the child-caring and taking care of the home, men are no longer obligated to marry women or provide for them. Women can do whatever they want according to their deepest desires because right now it's the start of a new beginning of when women are in charge and the men don't care.

But "you men can't live without us, women" the ladies exclaim. Truth is, "no, we don't." We, the great men of this world, are living proof that we don't have to have a 'significant other' in our lives. All the money we make is our decision to spend on whatever we want rather than burn our hard-earned cash on mindless, stupid, trivial items such as shoes, handbags, and clothes we don't have to have or even NEED. If women want to spend it on those items then go ahead, use your own friggin' money! Invest in your damn fantasies. Just leave us and our wallets alone! Go! Shoo! We would rather instead spend our money on appreciating assets and items that will give us experiences and pleasures in life. What experiences and pleasures you ask? Well, some of us men like to go smoke cigars, discuss politics and economics, talk about which stocks and bonds that could increase in value, go hunting, go fishing, go scuba diving, learn another language, etc.

We develop ourselves as human beings to become more knowledgeable about the world like people from other countries do. Go ask any European, "who are the presidents and/or leaders of their governments in neighboring countries" and a majority can answer that question. If we asked an American female, who are the prime minister of Mexico and the president of Canada? The usual response would be "I don't know." First of all, Mexico doesn't have a prime minister. It's a President and his name is Felipe Calderon (2006) and Canada doesn't have a president, it's a prime minister and his name is Stephen Harper (2006). It's all about knowing outside of the 'mainstream women pop culture' that we're going to be experts in, not about what Tom Cruise had for breakfast, if the colors of the shoes match the jacket, or whether to contemplate buying expensive jewelry.

We live in this niche of the American/Western system as forever bachelors, single by choice, the truly free of the free. We understand that marriage in the Western World is a losing battle since the divorce rate hovers around 70-80% and not the media propagated figure of 50% (certain states like California don't publish their divorce rates because they are too embarrassed to publish 80+% rates and also, not taken into account, are the vast numbers of couples who are separated but not formally divorced). Still don't believe us? Fine, go ask any divorced man if marriage was worth it and he'll quickly respond with a big, fat "HELL NO!" Why does he say no? That's because in this society of "me, me, me" and feminism, women are being taught to think for themselves what's "best for me" and not for the family or group. So as a result, women initiate 90% of the divorces with the courts deciding in her favor which result in men being taken to the cleaners. This type of thinking will also make us men follow the same mentality as women, "it's all about me!" No ring! No wife! No kids! My life, woman! Not yours! I can do anything I want to do in life! I'm free! Yay!

Typical stories about divorced men usually go like this (and there aren’t any happy endings):All of his money is gone including future wages. His once confident mentality is gone. His youth, the best days of his life, are also gone in a matter of seconds. He's been financially raped. He slowly dies alone, desolate, and poor, wondering how did all of this happen when HE didn't commit any crime?! More than likely, he will say the following: I wish I never got married at the age I did or never at all. He’s just another statistic that the right girl is nothing but a myth.

Worst of all is still being married to a fat, lazy AW/WW. Such disgustingness to an extent that even the man’s health decreases dramatically. Even those who are not married should be cautious because there are possibilities of being called a rapist even when there was no intercourse involved and wrongly arrested. And if isn’t about that crap in personal affairs, then men have to worry about gender affirmative action and sexual harassment at work. When a man talks dirty to a woman, it's sexual harassment. When a woman talks dirty to a man, it's $3.95 per minute. Such double standards… how unfair.

Yet, no one reports this in the media because it's biased against men especially in paternity fraud when the guy never met the woman! She just picks a guy out of the 100 guys she screwed trying to play lottery and every time she wins unless the guy objects. Women claim that they need more money, "it's for the children, it's for child support." You honestly believe that you need thousands and thousands of dollars to support a child? Sometimes that figure can go up to be in the millions of dollars in the case of celebrities and rich people. I think women just want all that money to destroy men and justify themselves into investing in shoes, clothes, new cars, jewelry, etc., all in the pursuit of material wealth despite having children to look after. Besides, it's usually the women who file the divorce papers or even cheat to break up a marriage. Sure, there are some bad men but that's because young women blindly pursue these bad guys in their youth. What ends up happening is that the woman wizens up (or gets tired of it, aka her clock starts to tick loudly), has some bastards, and looks for a sucker, aka nice guy, to support her and her kids via divorce or wage slave. Sorry, but most men don't want to get into that part of your life which are your worst days of your life.

Maybe we dwindled into the divorce part too much and we'll get into the relationship part instead. We bachelors stay single because we like to live alone and go out to meet with friends and create new experiences. Did you get that part clearly, women? WE LIKE TO LIVE ALONE! We like the fact we can do anything we want and not to have to deal with that girlfriend crap of asking them on a date, being told what to wear, buy this and that (when we don’t need it), deal with these freakish anti-social, fake-friend cliques (god we hate these!), etc.

Here's a story for all you women wondering why HE doesn't call after the first date:

I went on a date once and I thoroughly analyzed her on what she talked about (herself). My rational mind found that she threw too many red flags to get involved with. What's a red flag you ask? These are indicators telling me that a relationship with her would never, EVER work out short-term or long-term. I'll tell you two big red flags I remembered about her: ONE, she talked about her ex-boyfriend and I simply don't give a crap about that "point in her life," not to mention how times she banged a bad ass bastard (okay, so she’s a unmarried slut). TWO, I asked her if she wanted to have a beer with me and she said she can't have alcohol because she's on anti-depressant medicine. Wait a minute... did she really say that? Oh yeah, she did. Any girl on drugs always rings a big fat bell, indicating that she has major psychotic problems.

So rather than analyze every girl that comes our way even if she is perfect, we just don't want to bother with women at all. Yeah, we're horny guys alright so if we need to get laid, we'll just go out and get a hooker because she's cheaper and a professional at it. She'll also think that we’re sex gods and many women want us. Oh, and by the way, she's also cheaper than a girlfriend or wife. How's that so? Take a look at this equation:

Take all the money you've spent on a girlfriend/wife divided by the times she's given you an orgasm will always be higher than the amount it takes to spend the night with a prostitute. For example, that date story mentioned earlier, how much did he spent his hard earned cash on transportation, dinner, and entertainment for that 2-3 hours? $150. Did he get laid? Nope. Got the Friend Zone treatment. And how much does an hour with a smokin' hot hooker cost? $100. Seriously, it comes down to this question, "how much brain damage are you willing to accept for a little coochie?" or would you rather get laid?

We have to say that we fully believe in prostitution because it's like a romantic love story but without the BS. We get to spend an hour (or the whole night should we choose) rather than spend 24/7 with a fat-ass, un-loyal, complaining PMS girlfriend/wife. Still have problems with prostitution, women? Just know it’s your liberation at work and many women take this freedom sexually, for a price. Besides, we like to wake up each morning feeling a new woman.

And if anyone wants to mock prostitution, just compare the so-called 'numbers game' of how many people you've slept with. Chances are the guy who bought prostitutes slept with more women than the insulters:

I remember talking with a former jock from my alma mater who made fun of me for 'not getting any, lately' (3 months, big whoop). He boasted how he had 2 ex-girlfriends and one girlfriend right now that he's screwing. Never-mind, that the current girlfriend is fat and old, but it was the look at his face that made my day when I told him confidently that "I think I had over 20 girls in 3 years or was it just last year and that is no BS." Years after graduating high school... and to think how funny it is that we switched statuses, roles - that I'm now an alpha male and he's... nothing. What’s more impressive? A guy who slept with 100+ smoking-hot prostitutes or a guy with a sub-par girlfriend?

"But not all women are like that! Women are loving, loyal, and caring, too!" women want to exclaim. True, it's very true that some women are in fact amazing but they are, how should we say it, 'in very, very short supply.' What can we say? The majority of us want a younger, loyal, pleasant stay-at-home wife who cooks, cleans, raises kids, is a whore in the bedroom, is flexible and won't change the husband in anyway. Yes, yes, we know that some men may have a taste for other types but what we described is the ideal girl most guys would fully appreciate to have. Sure there are a lot of women who would call us a caveman or barbarian expecting a homemaker and denying her chance at making the money with a career but let's face it - that's why we're not getting married at all. It's our way or no way!!! We're going to do the reversal on women themselves by, "expecting to have everything." She has to be the PERFECT soul mate in every way otherwise marriage will never be considered.

Sure, we're human like anyone else and it's very possible that some of us have fallen in love before like this guy here...Actually, one perfect woman did exist in my life, in high school. She was beautiful, had the best looks, gorgeous long hair, great personality to go with, innocent, and best of all - she knew me! Unfortunately, she passed away - she's now a thug gangster girl who is now ugly, does drugs, has two bastards by five men, and is actively looking for a sucker to support her and the kids. She's alive but in my mind, she passed away long ago that I'm still holding out for her, in being loyal to her, in respect to her youth. That's what I tell all women that I had a woman but she passed away and in the end she'll be waiting.... that's when I laugh secretly.

Like we said, the term, “soul mate” doesn’t exist because it’s really a work of fiction. We really don't think the most perfect woman in the world exists because in several years later she's no longer the "fairest of them all.” Women age quickly, that is a fact of life. Women are like cars: every several years you have to replace them with a new one otherwise you'll spend a lot of time, energy, and money on maintaining one. Bah, screw that. We'd rather replace the aging BMW with a new one with leather seats, that new car smell, better gas mileage, and of course - 0 miles on the odometer! Whoo hoo! Yeah, a lot of us will stay a bachelor our whole lives listening to the cliché shame and blame tactics of "you're not manly," "you probably can't satisfy a woman," "you must be single, sad, and lonely," etc. I can already hear myself laughing the entire time listening to all the insults as I cruise away in my brand, spanking-new Lexus.

Just listen to all that dribble out there as we do our own thing such as vacationing at tropical white-sand beaches and possibly looking for a great young foreign girl to have a great time with:

"You're not a man unless you have a woman!"

"Aren't you going to settle down soon?"

"You must have a small dick that can't please women!"

Look at the pathetic insults. They're all the same.

FINE!

Just this once, we'll imagine that one insane man out of us will consider marrying a woman:

Yeah, I'd love to get married to a great girl. Here are my expectations in 4 lines or less...She'll always loyally support me while I quit my job and play videogames all day and night and I STILL get laid at night when she comes home from work! If she doesn't "give it up" and/or becomes fat and ugly, then I'm entitled to go get a hooker then. Also, in the event of a divorce, I get half of her assets and paid alimony for life.

So there! What girl would want "such a lazy-ass man like that?" Chivalry and supporting a woman is dead. Go support your own ass, woman. We're going our own way! Oh, and by the way, some of us have already had over 100+ women and in today's gangster/thug men's culture that should make us a MAN! Why settle? Why concentrate all energy into one woman when you can “spread the wealth?” Haha!

Oh yes, in the future, should we ever reverse ourselves on the position of marriage, we'll go out of the country to find the most pleasant, young foreign woman in the universe. If we don’t find her, then who cares… God put everything that a human being needs onto this planet - great food, great music, great women. He just did not put it all in one country.

And yeah, we did say foreign woman (it’s called out-sourcing) because the Western World's system is becoming highly unstable by the day. Despite what you might think of any Western World country being the safest country in the world - it is not, especially in the US! The US has the highest crime rate in the world along with teenage pregnancy, m*rders, obesity, brain/mind problems, etc. The only good thing about the US is making money and what's what us bachelors are going to do, exploit the system by making our cash and get out to another country for 'the ultimate fun in the sun.' We’re pretty sure some of us men will be retired by age 40 and work all day and night like some…

Those “some” happen to be everyone else, who are chasing that rat race dream of a job, career, wife, kids, big house, dog – well, screw all that! We're going to make my own way and give the finger to all those who chose the rat race, the dying institution of marriage, and get away from all those gold digging, leach women. The middle finger is also for all the wage slave men who blindly married (chained) themselves to a chain and ball.

Yeah, it would have been neat to be a husband and father to kids of our own, but the thought of dealing with a nagging woman and hopeless, screwed up kids are totally unacceptable. Since technology and science get better all the time, we would rather choose cloning ourselves over the alternative any day. So to all the women in the science field who actually do real lab work, making cloning a better possibility every day, total thanks! Haha!

As bachelors, our goals are simply making money, developing ourselves as better human beings, and building a brotherhood that will last for ages. Having a significant other is totally over-rated and success with a woman does not mean success in life. We all live alone and will die alone even if we did get married (women live longer than men on average). We just believe it is just far better for us to have each other as friends, brothers in arms where we can simply be men and not just become some single feeble-minded amoebas looking like we're rejects of society. Wrong! We reject society because society doesn't fit us in its screwed up system. Instead, we're out to silently exploit the system that we fully understand on how it works and utilize it for our gains. We will become rich in mind, soul, and also our pockets! We'll live the lifestyle that everyone would want to live except we have fewer problems because we made the right choices at a younger age and understood where it would take us to, paradise.

We now belong to a special niche where many others may have been forced into against their will. But those who join this special section of society do it by their own free will. We are talking about the Ghost Nation, groups of people that have fallen off of society's radar screen and no one has any idea that these people exist. Rather than intermingle with the rest of society by interacting with regular people by having a regular job, going to clubs/bars/parties, attend big-time social events, etc. we drift in and out without being noticed.

Being a Ghost is great for some because it means no interaction with women, period. No BS or headaches for this guy:

I remember some neighbors were gossiping about their friend, a 'hot girl,' and how she could never find herself a decent man. Want to know why I didn't go for her? Because every week I could hear through the thin walls of my apartment that she brought home a new thug to screw. I remember on the day I moved out she was pissed off because 'I didn't go out of my way to help her' like all men did after all that time I lived right next door. HAHA! Guess what, girlie? I don't care. I am a not a Captain-Save-A-Ho! I'm a Ghost. And no one recognizes Ghosts and those who freely became one, like it that way. And women like her complain, "where did the good men go to?" That's easy. We CHOSE to disappear. You can screw all the guys you want but you don't have my body (or wallet). Our bodies, our decisions!

We have good reasons why this world is going to hell and we as men are the best ones in position to save our own hides because we don't need 'special attention.' We actually hate attention and thank god that people think we're just regular Joe-Schmos on the street especially the women who think of us as "nothing." The few women who do get to know us, wow, they're going to want us especially when they turn 30. But their fate is the same as all others: to live unhappily single and eventually die alone. That's RIGHT - you wanted a career so you have it now, even if it is just a minimal wage job at the grocery store or working long hours at the office. And, HELL NO! We are not bailing you out either because even if you're beautiful, we've tuned out all women!

What can we say? We've learned our lessons about women throughout my life like this guy:

I'm a former nice guy who turned into an Alpha Male then turned ghost. "They" don't see me. If women ever found out what I do and how I carry myself - I'd be swarmed by tons of them. But I don't EVER want that! I mean I travel to see new places, I workout so I'm built and fit, I have money, I'm positive in my thinking, and I can analyze and philosophize about life. This thinking has been my greatest asset and I utilize it into my own life which thus becomes my attitude and eventually my altitude, flying high above all others who are trapped in the matriarchy as wage slaves. I do not pity them for they made that choice nor I do try to produce a solution for them because a 'massive one-size fits all cure' would not fit the millions, billions... many will not take the cure willingly until it is too late. Besides, why conjure a cure for their happiness when they cannot understand our way of life? Better hop on the train or get lost.

Let’s face it. Feminism, high divorce rates, excessive consumerism, climate change (debatable), and working women are here to stay and won’t stop. This is called change. Change is constant and only those who evolve with change will succeed the greatest. So, embrace this change. Dare yourself to be different. In old Roman and Greek times, bachelor men would be taxed for not getting married, but you, however, are able to have your dreams and desires to be fulfilled rather than live a mass-produced, cookie-cutter boring life. You Can Be Different! The Men wanting “Something for Nothing” and who are unwilling to make significant sacrifices to achieve their dreams always end up failing. Life is not all about what you can BUY next in this consumerism culture. It is whether you are WILLING to do the right thing in life and make change for yourself! Society will try to define what it means to be masculine, but true masculinity means to face your fears and do it anyway. Go beyond the boundaries of what you know! Once you’ve felt this fear and want to succeed in anything, anywhere, and every-time, then you have reached true masculinity: you’re a winner and no one can take that away from you. Not even women.

Sometimes we put it off, thinking there will be plenty of time later in life. So whether it’s your dream to fly planes, go bungee jumping, go sky diving, climb Mount Everest, backpacking Europe – it’s all in your hands. Just think what the typical AW/WW does, “I work (or go to school), I like to party, drink, go clubbing, chill with friends.” They have few real interests. Just think HOW MUCH YOUR LIFE CAN BE! The ever-lasting glory of accomplishment…. so get off that damn couch! Does TV advance your goals? Do you really want to come home just to watch “other people work?” Do you really want to look back on your life staring at some screen most of the time?

The best compliment one guy received (despite an AW) was this:I was eating dinner with a friend and his two co-workers. We ate dinner, talked about this and that, and the female co-worker out-of-the-blue told me, “You really look like a man, act like a man, and talk like a MAN which is rare in today’s world. Do you have a girlfriend?” I laughed and secretly smiled knowing I’m on my way to achieving my dreams where women will become distractions trying to get attention.

Women are a gift in our lives but many throw their prizes away without knowing how grateful they are. Usually, when time passes by, women realize that they will never be movie stars and are no longer as desirable. Only then when they see us living well is the greatest revenge. Hahahahaha. It's like what we'd said before - OUR WAY or NO WAY!

To fellow brothers in arms! To those who are flying high in the sky! We live the life! YOU CAN!

Cheers to being single!

Single Men, Rich, Happy, and Free

2010-04-10T18:29:00.000-07:00

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Single Men - Rich, Happy, and Free

This is the real story behind single men. They are rich, happy, and free. I was fortunate to have some great single men as role models for me to point me in the right direction when I was young, and bypass the whole marriage/divorce nonsense that lays wastes to hundreds of thousands of men each year. Let's look at some of my role models, while I was growing up:

1. The Heavy Industry Multi-Millionaire. This gentlemen is the apex of success, has his own 25+ exotic car collection, including a Enzo Ferrari. He is about 70 now, and is still living in style and grace, traveling the world and continuing to build his Industrial Empire. Super nice guy, but knows the deal with predatory women, and keeps far away from them. You would be amazed how many golddigging women want this guy, even when he is 70. He jokes about it a lot, and says "I still got it I guess, and women want it...I mean the money that is..."

2. The Doctor. This gentlemen is the Tru Player, bringing in over $500,000 per year from his practice, he plays women like a Stratovarius violin. He dated a woman for 15 years, they each lived in their own homes (because he did not want to even have the slightest chance of his woman trying to claim palimony from him), they would get together for sex (even though he was macking with other hotties on the side as the Tru Player) , and then dumped her when she pissed off his friends one day after 15 years. He knows "the code" - " bro's before ho's ". Front the man, get the can, biatch. He said "It might have been nice being married, but I am nobody's slave, and a man becomes a woman's slave through marriage in the US - I didn't go 12 years to college to turn my money over to somebody else."

3. The Stranger. This gentlemen I met in a restaurant with my friend. Now, my friend and I don't hang out at expensive restaurants where the "be seen crowd" does with their "herd" or "pack" mentality - a definite sign of feminized and chivalrous men along with their accompanying predatory females, but the small and quaint old school Italian and Greek restaurants still run by Papa and Mama. So this man shows up in his Rolls Royce and parks it right outside the restaurant window where my friend and I could not help notice it. We said "Nice Car", and he smiled and said "Let me tell you young men about how I got that car - by staying single, growing my business, and avoiding women. Nothing can ruin a man's success like a woman can, so be careful out there." He when on and on about how to be successful and how women are trouble and such - always wanting more and more money and stuff from men, and how women use marriage to scam men for money via divorce. It was a most enlightening conversation for us. We got pictures of us styling with the Rolls Royce, and I have always remember that stranger's advice.

There are so many other examples I know of, but the bottom line is there are many, many, rich, happy, free, and single men out there enjoying life to the fullest, but the matriarchy will never let you know because that would destroy the whole matriarchal system - they need men to believe that marriage is the only way a man can become happy and what not. But now you know differently, and knowledge is power.

American People in their 30's

2010-04-10T18:26:00.000-07:00

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Most of the American men I meet in their 30s are content with their choices, know who they are, and where they are going. As the old saying goes, they are comfortable in their skin.

Most of the American women I meet in their 30s are nasty, angry, fighting with themselves over being a woman or having a career, and stressed out over trying to do both.

In that there is great irony, which points to a deeper issue. For most of human history woman has not had to go through a gauntlet for her psychological identity. She was woman and no transition was needed except from girl to woman and even that was taken care of by nature with her first menstrual cycle.

Males had the psychological journey to make, and they still have to do so, reject the feminine, adopt the masculine and find a place in society while quite young. Said another way, males make the journey whether they like it or not -- and I suspect a bad detour on the journey is homosexuality.

Women in their 30s today have been forced by society to take the male route. They are not psychologically women in the classical sense. Now, boys hit that critical psychological identity stage before 10, today's woman is hitting it in her 30s...not only a different roll, but at a difficult time and without the emotional envelope of the progenating family around her.

Thus the irony is woman in imitating man (and despite a confusion of terms that is what the feminist movement is all about-- rejection of the maternal and adopting the paternal) woman is becoming lost with no shaman (sha-woman so to speak) to show the way off the two-edged sword. I think we are beginning to see the start of a large, painful social issue.

There is perhaps no woman on earth more separated from her womb than an American woman, and there is no woman on earth pursuing masculinity more than she. She now values working like a man over nurturing like a woman ... she has reduce her unique contribution to humanity to disposable bits of unwanted indiscretions. Add to that the feminizing of men and societies that don't allow those two things will conquer the US, one way or another.

Here is another good one

http://mirrorofthesoul.blogspot.com/2007_04_01_archive.html

I suppose that married men wake up one day, and say to themselves: "My God, I've been sleeping with the enemy."

When the fog of testosterone clears a bit, most men wonder why they were lead to get married. It's not that they suddenly don't like women any more. They just realize one day why they kept entering the furnace and getting burned, and why they won't any more.

Men are more blinded by their hormones than women... she sees clearly most of the time. He, however, starting in his 30s, begins to see past her body to the entity within and it dawns on him there is a price to pay for his desires. As the desire eases and the pain increases, he realizes what a fool he was. That is when a man becomes a true bachelor. That is when he visits woman, but does not stay.

For example, one day you wake up and realize being alone is far, far better than being with someone. After a while it really is a more pleasant life alone than with someone. We do not forget what it is to love and feel joy. We just get tired of all the other stuff. Most relationships don't endure...they drag out.

There is an old saying: "The crap you're getting is not worth the crap you're getting".

Also, that is why, I think, if a woman doesn't snag a man by the end of her 30's, the chances are close to zero she never will. I hear now that there are more single women in their 30's in some parts of the West than ever before, so it is looking ever more worse for women.

Of course, it is not that women are no longer interested, for they are, it is just that men are now becoming no longer that stupid, or hormone blind.

And for the readers, do you realize that the editor of this blog has been propositioned twice in one year by women in their 30's? When women are asking men to marry them, their desperation is complete.

http://mirrorofthesoul.blogspot.com/2006_08_01_archive.html

The Mighty Odysseus

If you have not read the Odyssey, the ancient Greek classic written by Homer, about a dude named Odysseus trying to get back home to Ithaca after he put the smackdown on a place called Troy, then you, as a single man, especially one in his 20's, need to - for you are the Mighty Odysseus - whether you like it or not. Pending your not feminized, emasculated, and a Niceguy(TM) from the brainwashing of the educational systems and culture in the Anglosphere Matriarchy - meaning you've put the smackdown on Troy and survived - but you still have another journey ahead of you - the journey home to the self-actualization of yourself. It's a ten year journey from your 20's to your 30's, the same amount of time of Odysseus' journey to get back home, and you, like Odysseus, are going to run into a whole bunch of crap during your odyssey of life as you move from your 20's to your 30's, as you grow in the knowledge of who you are and what you are going to do with your life - goals, objectives, visions, etc. Hopefully, once you get to your 30's, you will have arrived at your destination called "Ithaca" or in other words, you've survived the most dangerous part of your life (your 20's) where the Anglosphere Matriarchy does its best to suck you in and destroy you - through the marriage/divorce industry, feminization, emasculation, and anything else the gods can throw at you. You could get obliterated by the Ciconians (matriarchy legal system), or end up not caring anymore about your life or improving yourself and conforming as a matriarchal drone worker because of the Lotus-Eaters (niceguys, chivalrous men, feminized/emasculated men) surrounding you. You could fall prey to the Laestrygonians (American women) and be eaten alive, or fall for the trap of Cicre (the mythical exotic perfect foreign woman Anglosphere men are deluded with) - you better hope you have Eurylochus around to warn you about the dangers. You will be between the Scylla (Canadian women) and Charybdis (Mexican women) - choose wisely, the Scylla is more dangerous than the Charybdis these days. And of course, you will probably be delayed by Calypso (women that distract and annoy you to no end in order to get you to abandon your goals and objectives in life for them and what they want). You will most likely see your friends get annihilated during your odyssey, as Odysseus saw his crew - I myself have seen my own friends get annihilated, but I stayed the course home. Hence, like Odysseus, stay the course home to your 30's - to Ithaca - where in my opinion, you become master of your desires and not lead by them, and have navigated through all the traps of the Anglosphere Matriarchy, moving yourself toward your goals and visions for a better life apart from the Anglosphere Matriarchy, and most importantly, to the self-actualization of yourself.

http://mirrorofthesoul.blogspot.com/2006_03_01_archive.html

Through The Looking Glass

If you are in your 30s, like me, you most likely have seen your friends and relatives (male or female) get married and such. You have probably also seen them get divorced too. You have probably also seen some of the women you knew as friends, former girlfriends, or what not, in your younger years - say your 20s, end up as miserable career chicks with their cats, complaining to you why finding "stability and kids" or a "good man" is so hard for them to obtain, after they have lived with quite a few different men during their 20s to find "Mr. Right" and "test drive" long term compatibility, yet have it go so horribly wrong for them. You might even be married yourself and wondering if marriage and such a life that was propagated to you - however it was - is all that it is cracked up to be. You also might be wondering if what has transpired in your friends and relatives' lives, i.e., seeing your male friends or relatives become pussy-whipped who once were strong and vibrant, witnessing your male friends or relatives become total wage-slaves in the matriarchal system via divorce, etc. - if this will also occur in your life. I can't say it won't, and there is 50/50 chance on average it will, but hey, everybody gets lucky sometimes - it might be your day. However, if you are a single man like me, you are in a unique position. You have actually gone through the looking glass and by-passed the whole matriarchal system and marriage/divorce industry here in the West, and are now standing on the other side of the mirror watching from a different perspective or experiencing life in a much different way than your friends and relatives are or have been. There is a reason why you are where you are as a single man - whether by luck, planning, divine intervention, or a combination of all, you can see clearly the true picture of relationships these days in the West and how it is one emasculating disaster for men - and can now decide and make a fully informed decision on your future, which leaves you with two options - to stay single here in the West or settle down somewhere else overseas - but whatever you do, you know that going back through the looking glass you will never see things the same again. Even though things might be changing for men incrementally with recent law suits to raise attention and bring awareness to men's rights, it is still a very anti-male West. If you do not see things any differently, then it has happened to you according to the true proverb: "A dog returns to his own vomit", and, "a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire." You will have no one to blame but your own foolishness.

You Win by NOT Playing

2010-04-10T18:23:00.000-07:00

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I do not like lawyers. I went to law school. I think lawyers are a significant part of the problem with America.

The system is what the system is. A legal proceeding is a game. There are winners, there are losers, and sometimes it is a draw.

Not only is it a game, but it is a serious game with real consequences that affect lives for years.

Going into court without a lawyer is only guaranteeing you will lose. Period. The judge is not there to enforce fairness. The judge only rules on rules and evidence. If the other side plays better, you lose. If you enter the game without a team, i.e., represent yourself, you will most assuredly lose. It is the stark reality of it.

I have a very bright friend. He did not commit the crime. He was certain he could represent himself and when he was on the witness stand he was convinced he could foil the opposing attorney and prove to the jury that he was innocent.

Why?

Because:

1) He didn't do the crime.

2) He was quick on his feet and a good talker.

The verdict: He got 11 and 2/3 years.

The guilty person, who had a lawyer, got probation.

Law is a game for keeps. If the person does not mind the possibility of losing everything, then sure, they can represent themselves. A lawyer is someone who is used to thinking legally WHILE playing the game. Amateurs can't do that.

So where am I going with this?

The fact that marriage will more than likely end in divorce in America, and divorce requires lawyers, implies that by getting married, you are supporting lawyers who continue to proliferate the game of law to your demise as a man.

Therefore,

No marriage => no divorce => no lawyers => no game.

I'd say you win.

Ghosts in the Machine

2010-04-10T18:21:00.000-07:00

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Being single is very nice, it doesn't matter to me if I work or not. I have no family to support, no wife to nag me, or complain about me, or divorce me so that I lose all my money and assets via the Anglosphere Matriarchy. Heck, I will move back home with mom and dad - and they would love it too.

I have no responsibility except to myself and those I decide to bring into my presence of greatness.

Oh wow, can you hear it? I can hear it. You hear those women from the ranks of conservatives, liberals, religious peoples, even feminists, or what not from the Anglosphere Matriarchy in the back saying:

"How dare you not take responsibility for us!"

"You are a man!"

"You are suppose to be a gear in the machine of life serving us and our agenda!"

Shut up biatches!

I am a ghost in the machine of life. I move freely about and how I wish.

Scares you doesn't?

You can't catch a ghost, you only see the effects of it.

Makes you miserable there woman, why you are still single, 30+, and no prospects in site.

Makes you angry there woman, why you are still in your corporate zombie job with no man in site to rescue you.

Makes you depressed there woman, that you will grow old with a cat.

Yeah, you women are just seeing the effects of the ghosts in the machine of life - millions of us single men.

And it spooks you really bad - and you know it.

Oh, and you married and chivalrous men throughout the Anglosphere Matriarchy:

Work as gears in the corporate machine and upholding the title of "salary man" and keeping your wives up to par with the neighbors. Some single man is starting his own consultant firm and will be hired by your corporation at three times the rate they pay you.

Work as wage slaves expending your entire life to support your wives and kids, which can be taken from you at a moment's notice by your wives' command, and then have your wives take you for everything you have. Some single man is taking the money and running into the expat boat.

Work as the rest of masses do, serving the agenda of women and what they want. Another single man has just become a ghost in the machine.

And just what do you plan to do, married and chivalrous men?

Get angry?

Get jealous?

Do something constructive maybe?

No, you want to kill the messenger, live in your delusions, and propagate the matriarchy even more!

Hahahaha...but you forget...I am a ghost in the machine. You only see the effects of me, and the effects of the millions of other single men like me. There is nothing you can do.

Keep preaching for single men to marry washed up career chicks and be responsible...the ghosts are laughing at you.

Keep shaming single men as being selfish when they do things in their best interest...the ghosts aren't listening.

Keep telling single men it is there responsibility to uphold the matriarchal society known as the Anglosphere that is anti-male and doesn't give a crap about them...the ghosts are rebuilding their lives elsewhere.

Women, married men, and chivalrous men throughout the Anglosphere, will see their own agenda collapse upon them.

However, in the meantime, single men are ascending into power in the Anglosphere and also elsewhere around the world, and giving these groups a real haunting they cannot stop.

Why Some Men Prefer to Visit Prostitutes Over Having a Girlfriend or Wife

2010-04-10T18:18:00.000-07:00

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Prostitutes are better because...
Prostitutes don't say "I can't. I have a boyfriend."

Prostitutes don't say "No thanks. I didn't think we clicked."

Prostitutes don't say "You're not my type."

Prostitutes don't say "I think you're too old."

Prostitutes say "Do you want to get together? Do you want me to come over?"

Prostitutes don't care if you're unemployed or if you have an unimpressive or low-paying job.

Prostitutes don't care if you drive an old or inexpensive car.

Prostitutes don't care if you're not handsome or if you're short or overweight.

Prostitutes don't care if you're not a good conversationalist.

Prostitutes don't care if you are married.

Prostitutes don't care if you have been divorced three times or six times or if you have children by several ex-wives or ex-girlfriends.

Unless you are young, rich, tall, and handsome, you can probably have sex with prostitutes who are much younger and prettier than anyone you could date or marry.

More than is true of most women, if you are nice to a prostitute, she'll be nice to you.

In an ideal world, all women would be as affectionate and accommodating as prostitutes are. But this isn't an ideal world.

Sex with prostitutes tends to prevent you from being too dependent, sexually or emotionally, on other women.

If you limit your sexual activity to prostitutes and girlfriends and don't get married, you won't marry a young, thin, pretty woman when you're young and find yourself married to an old, fat, no longer pretty woman when you're old. When you're 60 you'll be able to enjoy the company of prostitutes who are as young and pretty as the women you were having sex with when you were 25.

Prostitutes won't accuse you of "sexual harassment" because you tell her you'd like to be sexually involved with her or ask her for a date or tell her a dirty joke or tell her how pretty or sexy she is or how much you love her.

Unlike many if not most wives and even many girlfriends, prostitutes will have sex with you whenever you want - and not just when she happens to be in the mood.

Sociology research has shown that old joke is actually true: Married men are prostitutes' best customers. This wouldn't be true if marriage were all it's cracked up to be.

Unlike many other women, prostitutes do, or let you do, oral sex if that's what you want. In fact, in one survey, oral sex was the type of sexual activity most often requested of and engaged in by prostitutes.

A prostitute won't threaten to break up with you or actually leave you because you won't marry her.

Prostitutes don't care if you call her only when you really want to.

Prostitutes don't care who else you have sex with.

Prostitutes don't ask jealous questions.

With prostitutes, you won't go crazy from jealousy, either, since you never expected her to be faithful to you in the first place, and the other men in her life aren't going to make her unavailable to you, or make you look bad because you have an unfaithful wife or girlfriend, or cause you to raise a child who isn't yours, or pay child support for a child she had with some other man but claims is yours, or wait for the results of expensive DNA paternity testing needed to prove it isn't your child. (DNA paternity testing has proved that about one in ten children have a different biological father than the man the mother says is the father, including many married women.)

Contrary to popular misinformation, public health researchers studying the legal brothels in Nevada found you are unlikely to contract a sexually transmitted disease from a prostitute. This is not necessarily true of drug-addicted streetwalkers, however.

A disadvantage of sex with prostitutes is needing to use a condom, both for your own protection and because she'll insist on it. However, you often need to use a condom for your own protection with women who are not prostitutes, and many women who are not prostitutes also insist you use a condom.

A disadvantage of sex with prostitutes is the intimacy and companionship that are more likely to exist in a long-term relationship with one woman. However, you can experience more intimacy and companionship in a relationship with a prostitute than you might think, and an advantage of sex with prostitutes is variety, which is said to be the spice of life. In this case, the variety can do wonders for your sex drive. Being willing to have sexual experiences with prostitutes makes it easier to experience intimacy with a variety of women.

The most persuasive argument for women who are not prostitutes is your wanting to experience fatherhood, but this argument isn't applicable if that's not what you want.

A disadvantage of sex with prostitutes is the stigma of having had sex with a prostitute. However, men almost always pay for sex one way or another (one example being the cost of dating, which is almost always paid by men rather than women), and men who pay through the supposedly honorable institution of marriage usually pay the most. Marriage, although thought of as honorable, is a lot like prostitution and is much more expensive. Marriage is long-term prostitution, with the exception of marriage to a woman who either (a) earns as much or more money than you or (b) is willing to and does sign a premarital agreement keeping your and her money and property entirely separate, including money and property earned or accumulated during marriage. The extent to which women chose who to marry on the basis of their prospective husbands' wealth or income (or education and other indications of "potential" for same) varies - they tend to become more materialistic as they get older and learn the value of money - but there is considerable truth in the sometimes heard claim that an important difference between prostitutes and wives is prostitutes are more honest, since they tell you at the start what they're going to cost you, and they don't pretend they don't care about money and that they want you only because of your cute dimples or common interests or good character or how sexy or handsome you are.

Prostitution is a pay-as-you-go plan: You don't have to keep paying after you are no longer getting anything. Marriage is a keep-paying-forever-even-after-you-aren't-getting-anything plan. You don't have to pay alimony to a prostitute: In contrast to many divorced men, if you limit yourself to prostitutes and girlfriends you won't find yourself paying hundreds or thousands of dollars in alimony each month to an ex-wife who has done nothing for you during the last ten or twenty years. A prostitute is not entitled to half the money and property you accumulated while you were seeing her, nor is she entitled to half or some proportional share of your pension or retirement benefits. With prostitutes you don't need to hire a lawyer to draft an antenuptial agreement to protect you, to the limited extent possible, from today's unfair divorce laws that favor women because the politicians who enacted them were trying to win the approval of the voters, the majority of whom are female.

Accidental pregnancy usually isn't a significant risk with a prostitute, in part because prostitutes are consistently careful about contraception and in part because a prostitute who becomes pregnant will almost always terminate the pregnancy without getting you involved. If a prostitute does give birth to a child, there probably were too many men she had sex with for her to remember who they were and make them do paternity testing; she also probably won't know where to find them. So if you have sex only with prostitutes, you have very little risk of being subjected to the extortion mandated by today's child support schedules that are so high they keep you from having enough money to live a satisfying life for the next 18 or 21 years even if you have a good income because you are being forced to pay vastly greater sums of money as child support than not just your fair share of the child's actual support costs - but anywhere from two times to ten times the entire cost of raising the child. If you fall behind in child support, your child support obligation may haunt you for longer than 18 or 21 years, since the arrearage (plus interest) is still owed after the child reaches the age of adulthood. Child support required by the child support schedules in most states of the USA are so high they may also prevent you from accumulating enough money to ever be able to retire. In the USA, you may additionally lose your driver license, occupational and professional licenses, and your passport as punishment for falling more than two months behind in child support regardless of how outrageous was the amount you were ordered to pay, and regardless of factors beyond your control that made you unable to pay, such as losing your job through no fault of your own.

If you fall in love with and marry a prostitute - that does happen occasionally - you have a good chance of beating her in a court fight for custody of your child because of the stigma of her having been a prostitute - and maybe even forcing her to pay child support to you.

Shutting Down The Matriarchy

2010-04-10T18:14:00.000-07:00

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Shutting Down The Matriarchy

It is pretty easy to shutdown the matriarchy, however, most men are too addicted to pussy to actually shut it down, and because of this, they keep the matriarchy going - chivalrous males are the worst offenders. However, for those of you that want to know how to shutdown the matriarchy, or even just your little section of the matriarchy here is how:

1. Drop out of society. Just disappear. It is easy to do. You engage minimally as possible with society, particularly women. The less visible men are and contributing to society the more women have to take up the slack and will soon burn themselves out, contributing in part to a matriarchal shutdown.

2. Focus on you. Work for you. Become YOU, INC. Your well being is just as important as anybody else's, particularly women's. Can't decide between reading a good book or going a date? Read the book instead, it is much more benefical than spending money on a date, even if you are paying just half of the date. The more dateless women, the more discontent the matriarchy becomes for women, the better. Let women know, it is over for them - remember they don't need men anymore, so let them do without. Plus, and more importantly, you could get accused falsely of rape if you both find each other attractive and sparks fly, and later on she feels gulity for the one night stand, and decides to absolve herself of being a "ho" by accusing you falsely of rape.

3. Support pop and mom stores. Avoid big corporations in buying your products and services, which employ and promote women that can't even do their jobs which further funds the matriarchy with your money.

4. Don't be sucked into that "real man" crap, I have heard it over and over, "A real man would be responsible and get married" or "A real man would support a woman". All this "real man" crap is a ploy by women to trap you into marriage and make you a matriarchal wage slave that keeps the matriarchy going- voluntary by her using you with traditional marriage to get you to support her and the matriarchy, and involuntary through divorce, with the courts forcing you by police arrest and jail to support her and the matriarchy via alimony, child support, etc. Women have access to education and jobs better than men do these days, let women support themselves and their cats. As mentioned in point (1) above, this will contribute to more burned out women and discontent to shut down the matriarchy.

5. Legally minimize your tax burden. Less taxes going to the government will be less money supporting the matriarchy.

Continuous Improvement and Innovation

2010-04-10T12:27:00.000-07:00

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I've mentioned before how Anglosphere men, in one way or another, think that if woman does not validate or approve them (and this notion can be extended to Anglosphere men's ideas, works, etc.) they aren't worth anything - which feminized Anglosphere societies reinforce.

Since I come from a non-Anglosphere culture and society, I can clearly see this in the Anglosphere societies, while Anglosphere men are blind to it and can't even fathom life without having women validate them or not.

For example, how many Anglosphere men are busting their asses in jobs they don't like just so they can show women how successful they are, or how many Anglosphere men are screwing over their fellow Anglosphere man just for the attention of a woman - are Anglosphere men not better than the male monkeys in the wild competing for the breeding rights to the female monkeys?

At least the male monkeys in the wild are smarter in that they are competing for the breeding rights to all the female monkeys in their territory while Anglosphere men are competing for just one woman - which makes me seriously doubt any evolution theories on the ascent of man, since the male monkeys definitely appear smarter.

Anyway, it is really anathema to men in non-Anglosphere societies to even think that a woman has any type of authority for validation of a man or not, and truly sickening to watch in the Anglosphere world. For some Anglosphere men, continuous improvement is all that is needed to optimized themselves to level of independence free from being concerned about if women validate them or not.

In other Anglosphere men, which I think is the majority of Anglosphere men, innovation is needed to thoroughly break free from the power of validation that women hold over these Anglosphere men in feminized Anglosphere societies.

One of the ways Anglosphere men can break free from this co-dependence validation crap by women, is to have a vision or goal in their lives. Visions or goals DO NOT include things like finding a nice girl, getting a date, getting married, etc. These ARE NOT accomplishments in life, these are at best just minor side notes in life, but sadly, most Anglosphere men consider these retarded notions as visions or goals in their lives.

Visions or goals consist of things that directly help you as a man improve (via continuous improvement) or radically change for the better (via innovation). We can say the limit of continuous improvement becomes innovation, because you can only continuously improve something so much, then you got to innovate with a brand new thing, and then continuously improve that new thing, and the process repeats in a ever improving cycle of continuous improvement and innovation working hand in hand.

Discuss among yourselves ways to improve or radically change your life for the better, I am sure you can find something, then make that something your vision or goal to follow until completed, then find some more stuff, and repeat the process, there is no end to continuous improvement and innovation for your life.

One God, One Emperor, One Empire

2010-04-10T12:24:00.000-07:00

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One God, One Emperor, One Empire

This is a philosophy to pursue. It cuts right through the bullshit and strikes fear in the hearts of chivalrous men and predatory females. You are not to be fucked with.

One God -
You have a mission to grow your own spiritual development apart from the feminized churches. We all know the major crime these feminized churches are doing is telling men to get married and what not, when everything is stacked against men with all the anti-male laws in the Anglosphere. God and you can go your own way, and you might find quite a lot of men around you that agree with you.

One Emperor -
You have a mission to become successful and rule your life and the fruits of your labor uninterrupted by anybody or in jeopardy that they might be seized - in divorce court or otherwise. You are the emperor of your corporation that controls the fruits of your labor, while the rest of the masses can get bent.

One Empire -
You have a mission to build and maintain the fruits of your labor, and to see to the well being of your fellow men that are apart of your circle of friends and allies. Helping out and giving aid to men that have been screwed over by the matriarchy and giving them the necessities and tools, whether spiritual or material, to rebuild their lives and become part of your empire.

Army Of One?, No, I'd rather be an Empire Of One.

American Automakers and Women

2010-04-10T12:22:00.000-07:00

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Ever since the 1970's the quality of American cars has declined, and ever since the 1970's the quality of American women has declined as well. American automakers sold whatever they made paying little attention to quality and value. What were American men going to do? Complain? Yeah right. American automakers dominated the whole US auto market for a century and American men had no alternatives. You got what you bought and you liked it. American men got a raw deal. Not only on American cars, but on American women. Just like the American automakers dominance of the US auto market, American women dominated the US relationship market for men. You got what you could find and you liked it. Another raw deal for American men.

However, in the early 1980's, foreign automakers set up shop and started cranking out cars. These foreign cars had better quality and value. American automakers now had to compete, and weren't used to competition. Being arrogant and haughty, they still thought American men would suck it up and keep buying crap American cars. They were very wrong. American men bought foreign cars and tons of them. The rest is history. American automakers are either on the verge of bankruptcy or owned by a foreign entity these days.

Similarly, American women continued to be arrogant and haughty, thinking American men would suck it up and keep pursuing American women, no matter how crappy these American women were. American women were very wrong. Foreign marriages among American men are on the rise, and showing a continuing trend - so much so the US government is passing laws to make it difficult for American men to marry foreign women - we call that protectionism in terms of trade...it usually has short term benefits but long term disasters. Men will just pick up and move altogether. Like the American automakers, American women are owned by foreign women in areas of respect, courtesy, and manners toward men, and American women are bankrupt morally, culturally, and spiritually. Why buy American - cars or women?

Discuss among yourselves:

In recent attempts to salvage any profit from their cars, American automakers have offered ridiculous incentives to attract consumers to buy them. Is this not similar to American women wearing ridiculously slutty attire to attract any man (or woman) to them?

Tiger Woods: A Cautionary Tale For All American Men

2010-04-10T12:17:00.000-07:00

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Here is a masterpiece written by Tom Leykis

I, for one, have heard enough about the trials and tribulations of Tiger Woods. What, exactly, is so shocking or surprising about this story? Well something is, but it isn’t exactly what you and everyone else seem to think.

Tiger, whose net worth was estimated by Forbes in October 2009 to be about 500 million dollars, is a man who made his first television appearance some thirty years ago as a nascent golf pro at age 4 on The Mike Douglas Show. By all accounts, this is a person who, like the tennis-playing Williams sisters, has been singularly focused practically since birth on one goal: to be the absolute best player in his chosen sport.

Just a guess from observing his demeanor and hearing his very controlled interviews (not to mention his painfully unrevealing “apology” press conference): Tiger is someone who probably had very little time for a social life growing up. Guy friends, girlfriends, and all that goes with that were likely shoved aside for early mornings hitting ball after ball after ball with his dad. Did he develop like a normal American teenager? Did he make out in the backseat of his car with girls with whom he went to school? Did he go to his prom? Did he ever just hook up? I tend to doubt it.

Spare me the bromide I have heard over and over that all of this is so tragic because Tiger Woods did what he did despite having “so much to lose.” Why are we being so politically correct about this? In my view, Tiger Woods did what he did because he had “so much.” He did it for the same reason that the dog licked himself: because he could. I believe that Tiger did what I would expect any younger man who sacrificed so much in his life to earn $500 million and who is constantly on the road would do: he invited women to keep him company, in any number of ways. He finally allowed himself to enjoy the spoils of his wealth after so many years of having to be so focused and controlled.

The real shock of the Tiger Woods tragedy is not that he cheated on his hot wife and broke up his little family. The real shock is that a man with so much wealth and notoriety even got married at age 29 at all.

This is someone who should have been making up for lost time, enjoying his well-earned freedom to do whatever he wanted wherever he wanted. Instead of getting married and cranking out progeny, Tiger should have been bonding with his best male friends. He should have been traveling places just because he felt like it. As a famous and successful man, he should have been having sex, with any and every woman he desired, all around the world, while being careful not to dole out any of his very valuable DNA to any woman who could take from him what he has worked so hard to earn. And he shouldn’t have felt the need to hide while he did it. This is not sexist; it is common sense, and one thing I cannot understand is that few men have stepped up in an empathetic way and talked about what men really think and would do if only they could.

The real truth about marriage is something that men who look like beaten dogs whisper to each other at Hooters, at strip clubs, at sports bars, at bowling alleys, and even over the cubicle walls at offices across America: marriage is for men who cannot afford to live parallel lives with hot women in expensive hotel rooms. It is for men who need someone to share the rent or the mortgage payment. It is for farmers who need more farmhands when they become too old to till the soil. It is for men who grew up too lazy to clean their places, and so, as a result, are willing to take on a 180-pound mommy stand-in who will clean it. Marriage is not for buff, famous, educated men who have 500 million dollars and the freedom to do almost anything they want.

The risk that today’s successful man takes in family court by marrying or by impregnating a woman simply isn’t worth it. Ladies, close your eyes because here comes the hardest truth of all: most married men in America are living with the best woman they can afford.

As boys, although most American men dream of driving Testarossas or Porsches or Corvettes when we grow up, the reality is that most of us end up driving Toyota Camrys or Corollas: not very stylish or sexy, but cheap enough to maintain and able to last a lifetime (oh yeah, and they don’t STOP no matter how hard you try to make them). Most men who dreamed of driving sports cars as kids are now married to a Toyota. And most would trade in that Toyota the moment they struck oil or won at Powerball.

The Tiger Woods story is more about women and advertising. After all, why did Tiger get married anyway? In my view, Tiger Woods got married and had kids because he thought that it looked good to the rest of us. Such a perfect life and a perfect family would only enhance his marketability to advertisers and to the women to whom advertisers kowtow. Now, is anyone going to argue that Tiger Woods, a man who lived a double life trying to make up for what appears to be a largely lost childhood, truly loved Elin Nordegren? You’re kidding, right?

Prenup or no prenup, a man who has sacrificed so much to become so successful should enjoy as a single man everything that he has worked so hard to achieve. He should not be giving away half of his fortune to someone with whom he has spent just a few years. He should not have to be hiding in hotel rooms, on yachts, or anywhere else. After all, the prime reason that men become successful, as doctors, as architects, as actors or rock stars, and, presumably as golfers, is to be able to get more and more desirable women.

The tragedy is that Tiger felt the need to create a perfect-looking life in order to make himself attractive to fans and to advertisers. Such a shame. He’s the greatest golfer of all time and one of the premiere athletes of our lifetime. What more did he need to project than that?

Tiger Woods had no business getting married or having any children at all so early in his life. And, if you are a successful young man in America who has worked so hard to get where you are, neither do you.

Briffault's Law

2010-04-10T12:14:00.000-07:00

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BRIFFAULT’S LAW:

The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.

There are a few corollaries I would add:

1. Past benefit provided by the male does not provide for continued or future association.

2. Any agreement where the male provides a current benefit in return for a promise of future association is null and void as soon as the male has provided the benefit (see corollary 1)

3. A promise of future benefit has limited influence on current/future association, with the influence inversely proportionate to the length of time until the benefit will be given and directly proportionate to the degree to which the female trusts the male (which is not bloody likely).

Let us start by saying much of the discussion on the Stickman site seems to start from the belief that Thai women are somehow different from all other women, both in the good and the bad. And that their actions derive from the cultural milieu in which they were reared; and therefore no western man can really understand their thinking without intensive cross cultural study. I posit that this is BS. No man can ever understand what is going on inside the head of any woman, of any culture, including their own, no matter how much they study. We should not kid ourselves. The best we can hope to do is observe their behaviors and roll with the punches. This is where Briffault’s Law is vital. All women associate with any man only so long as they derive a benefit from the association. This can not be stated too many times.

A bit of recent data that supports this proposition comes from a recent study done in the UK. The findings were that for a period from the early 1990’s to the early 2000’s, 90% of UK women practiced hypergamy. Hypergamy is a 15 cent (about 7 pence in GBPs) word for marrying up. The hypothesis in the study was; do women exhibit hypergamy, or not. You start with assuming not, and then disprove that. If they do not, then roughly 50% would marry up and 50% would marry down. During the period of the study 90% of UK women married men that made more money than they did, or had greater wealth. The 90% marrying up rate provides ample evidence that the women exhibit hypergamy behavior. These were not poor daughters of Isaan rice farmers. This was not a developing country. This behavior could be observed anywhere in the world and at any time in history.

Before discovering Briffault’s Law, I came to a similar independent, although not so well or concisely stated, conclusion. A few years ago, while arguing with my six sisters about my intentions to marry a Filipina half my age (marriage number 4 so I am a slow learner), they argued that she was just marrying me to get a better life. After a few seconds of reflection I retorted that this was true for every woman in the world marrying any man. This left them with no response. After all, who among us ever marries to have a worse life? We all hope that it will be an improvement. With women it is doubly so, since they have no intention of actually working to improve their lives.

So, let’s get to Korski’s question, “Who is a Whore”, and my initial response, “They all are”. By Briffault’s Law if a woman is associating with you (assuming you are a man) then she is doing it because she sees some benefit, either current, or in the future, from that association. How is this different from the bargirl on Soi Cowboy? I think only in the duration of the intended association, the amount of benefit expected, and in the woman’s acceptance of delay in getting that benefit. Guys, let’s get real about this. It is past time to take off the rose colored glasses.

How does this help? If you know going in that she is there to derive a benefit, then make sure you are willing and able to provide that benefit, that you are willing and able to continue to provide that benefit, and that the cost to you of providing that benefit is worth the benefit you derive from the association. Be fully aware that when the benefit to her stops, the relationship will stop. Have no illusions. This is true in the UK, France, America, Thailand, and everywhere else. So, if you spend every dime in your retirement fund to build her and/or her mother a house (in her name of course), do not expect that the association will continue. You must say no early and often so you preserve your ability to provide a continuing benefit. If you drain all your resources, then you get what you should expect (see corollary 1).

Keep control of your money, only you will be responsible with it, because you had to earn it. After my first divorce I commiserated with a female secretary that was at least two decades older than me, and who was herself divorced. When I told her that I had let my wife run the family finances (common in 80% of married couples in the USA), and that she had run us deep into debt, she told me, “Any man that turns over his paycheck to a woman is a fool.” I would add that giving any woman every penny you have in the world is just asking her to kick you to the curb and walk away from you.

Deriving mutual benefits from a relationship is not a bad thing. Where Brokenman and the rest of us men lose the plot is when we expect past benefit provided to the woman to continue generating current or future association (see corollary 1). Loyalty, honor, gratitude, and duty are male values that we men project on women, but which very few, to no, women actually possess. We aren’t born with these values; they are drummed into us from the cradle on by society/culture, our families, and most definitely by the women in our lives (sorry, but that includes you too, Mom). Women get different indoctrination, so they have different values; mostly, for a woman, whatever is good for her and her (biological) children is what is best, full stop. So, do not expect that the woman in your life will be grateful, and sacrifice for you, when you can no longer provide for her and hers. And make no mistake, you have never been, and never will be, part of what is hers. What are hers will be first herself, then her (biological) children, then her parents, then her siblings, and then the rest of her blood relatives. The biological imperative has always been to extend her blood line. It stops there, and it always will. This is true everywhere in the world. Get over it.

Men love women, but I truly believe that women are incapable of what we men call love. “Greater love hath no man than that he lay down his life for his friends.” How many women are willing to die for their husbands, friends, country, or comrades in arms? Damn few, if any. Yet it is commonly expected of men (made compulsory under certain circumstances). How many men continue on in their marriages, supporting their family and their wife, while the wife is making their life a living hell? Far too many. How many men choose their wives over their parents and siblings? Most. Women do not behave like this. Men take out large insurance policies so their wives and children will be well taken care of should they die. Even if the wife is making (nearly) as much money as the husband, she will not have insurance. She sees no reason to reduce her current ability to spend to take care of others after she is dead. She could care less what happens to the husband, and doesn’t want the husband to be able to spend money on some young bimbo, after she dies. The life insurance gender statistics are well known, and widely available. None of this should be a shocking revelation. When my second wife died, her mandatory insurance (free) provided by her teacher’s union covered her funeral expenses. It would have made life much easier if her insurance had paid the over $350,000 my life insurance would have paid.

When does the expectation of mutual benefit in marriage go seriously wrong in the west? It goes wrong as soon as the “I Dos” are said, or very shortly thereafter. Why is this so? Because you, the man have just entered into a contract with the state where you have promised that you will provide everything to your bride, and where the bride has promised nothing. By the way, the full weight of the law and public opinion will support her stripping you of every thing you have, including your children, and most of what you will ever make in the future, when (not if) she decides to dump you. Hence, once you enter into the contract you have nothing left to offer her. Everything you have, or will have, is already hers. Seem like a harsh statement? I thought so too, the first time I heard it, during an argument with my first wife towards the end of our marriage. She asked me the eternal female question, “What do you do for me?” (i.e. what benefit do I get from associating with you?) I responded, “I pay all your expenses. I feed, clothe, and house you. And, I am paying for your college tuition.” She told me that all the money I earned was her money and that if she let me have any of it that was pure charity on her part, so I was doing nothing for her. I thought this was unduly harsh. The divorce courts showed me that it was pretty much just a statement of fact. The wife has it all, and can make her part of the marriage contract, the portion where she is to provide you with companionship, comfort, loyalty, sex, etc., null and void at any time while keeping everything you have/had/will ever have. She has no need to associate with you further once you are married (see corollary 2). (What is the difference between regular Barbie doll and divorced Barbie doll? Divorced Barbie comes with her stuff and all of Ken’s stuff too.) This seems a totally destructive state of affairs. Recently many in the western nations have been up in arms over a law passed in, I believe, Saudi Arabia that said if a married woman refuses her husband sex, then he can refuse to feed her. All are screaming it is Islamic misogyny. Seems to me, it is an equal degree of enforcement for both sides of a contract.

Presenting Briffault’s Law is a duty I felt I owed to the readership, as a public service. We all need to take off the blinders. You will get from women exactly what you should expect; if you keep Briffault’s Law (and my corollaries) in mind. Knowing this earlier in life would have saved me a lot of pain. I hope it helps some of you out there keep a hand on the reins. All of us, men and women, will be happier if men take charge of their relationships and their finances.

Engineering Your Life, System, Process, and Products

2010-04-10T12:10:00.000-07:00

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The failure of the most people in general with their lives that I've encountered, as I roam about the world, stems from the fact that their whole system and processes in which they operate and act in are complete failures.

They will blame this or that, but they never address the fact, that their system (their way of life) and the subsequent processes (the actions that determine their way of life), and final product (their life itself) are all total crap.

Consider the following:

Suppose you have a good system in place (way of life) but lousy processes (bad decisions or actions) not congruent with your system, thus you will end up with a crap filled life (bad product).

And the same with a bad system, but good processes - you still get a crap product.

For example, suppose I am good manager of my money - the process - I save, keep my spending under control, have a budget, etc., but every time I deposit my money into the bank - the system - the bank loses it. What good are my spendthrift actions with a bad bank? I end up with no money and I am broke - a bad product.

Thus, identifying what is wrong - bad system and/or bad processes, and correcting both, will ultimately give you a good product (a good life).

This might sound very elementary, but if that was the case, how come so many people have such miserable lives? I am starting to believe the saying "Imagine that half of the people in the world are stupid, then realize it's much more than that and they are even more stupider than thought."

We can only conclude that it is because they failed to correct their way of life and correct their decisions they made in life.

Or worse, they are operating on false premises that such and such a system (way of life) is correct and the processes (actions) are correct as well, and never realize they keep producing a total crap product (their life).

And why not? Everybody else is? They have no idea what a good product looks like (a good life).

Moreover, this is why society at large, probably worldwide, does not like single men, single men aren't miserable, they have total freedom from responsibility except to themselves, and roam about the whole world as they see fit.

Society demands that single men also make crap products (have a miserable life) like everybody else. We can apply this concept anywhere, in any society, because people don't like others having fun, and are always out to steal the joy from genuinely content people.

Obviously, the classical example would the Anglosphere (although I'm sure we can find other examples outside of it) :

Get married and lose all your rights as man!

Have kids and realize they aren't yours!

Enjoy your fat wife and never have sex again!

Great life, eh?

When single men actually think something is wrong with them for making good product (having a good life), that really bothers me, and I am surprised to find quite a few single men thinking that way.

There is nothing wrong with having a good life, and even being envied for it - that means you are doing the right thing - in the words of Salvador Dali, "The thermometer of success is the jealousy of the malcontents".

Misery wants company, and there are a lot of miserable people looking for it. Don't give them that opportunity to enter your presence of greatness. Quality does have a price, and miserable people can't afford it.

Big List Of The Benefits Of Bachelorism

2010-04-10T12:07:00.000-07:00

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1. Everything in your house is yours.
2. You don't have to hide gifts, receipts, and other purchase records in ridiculous places.
3. If you buy something "yummy", you don't have to buy twice as much.
4. The only person you have to dress up for is your boss.
5. Your late nights are all yours.
6. Less stuff to move when you do move
7. One bedroom apartments feel more spacious with only one person
8. You never have to ask for permission to orgasm.
9. Only the doctor can tell you what to eat
10. You decide what to shave and when
11. Valentines day costs less
12. No anniversaries to remember
13. No extra birthdays to remember
14. No extra family to shop for during the holidays
15. No irritating in-laws to deal with
16. You can walk around naked whenever you want.
17. Only your sense of decency has any say about where you leave your dirty clothes.
18. You don't have to share
19. You don't have to change your life because someone else has jealousy issues.
20. The only insecurities you have to deal with are your own.
21. Getting that out-of-state job doesn't hinge on what someone else wants or thinks.
22. The only people complaining about music volume are the neighbors.
23. You can fall asleep anywhere without getting any guff for it in the morning.
24. You don't have to use the "headache" excuse anymore.
25. You don't have to worry as much about the "oops, I'm pregnant" factor.
26. The only person who goes through your stuff is you.
27. The only person who sees your inbox is you.
28. More time to spend with friends.
29. You don't have to live with someone who can't stand your parents.
30. If you want to go for pizza at 3am, no one stops you or asks you why.
31. You can date more freely.
32. The cute secretary is fair game.
33. The whole wedding mess? Yeah, none of that to deal with.
34. You don't have to share your closet with anyone else.
35. You always get to watch what you want.
36. You always get to read what you want.
37. You decide when to crawl into bed.
38. You can throw yourself into bed and snore without dire consequences.
39. No one else's annoying (or disgusting) habits to deal with at home.
40. The only fetishes you have to deal with are your own.
41. You can talk to yourself without people saying "what?" or worrying about your sanity.
42. There are religious benefits, if you're into that kind of thing.
43. Single people can still adopt, if you're into that kind of thing.
44. The only annoying friends you have to deal with are your own.
45. You don't ever have to wonder if you really love the person you live with.
46. There's only one way to do things- your way.
47. You are the master of the thermostat.
48. The only messes you have to clean up are your own.
49. The only disasters you have to fix are your own.
50. If an argument starts, you can walk away... forever.
51. You don't have to make excuses for yourself.
52. The whole "old maid" thing is so last century.
53. Dinner can be as simple as a frozen burrito.
54. When you eat, you buy and cook for one.
55. No one else is going to eat your leftovers.
56. No one else is going to raid your stash of sweets (you don't even have to hide it!)
57. You don't have to share your bed with anyone.
58. You can even eat in bed if you want to.
59. You can decorate the entire house according to your taste.
60. The only person spending your money is you.
61. Three words: Marriage Tax Penalty.
62. The only debts you have to pay off are your own.
63. Kids with single parents can get more financial aid.
64. Bickering couples are at best a relieving reminder and at worst hilarious.
65. Less pressure about body weight.
66. Married people are fatter on average anyway.
67. Suddenly, it's okay to look (and flirt).
68. It's easier to focus on your career and your dreams.
69. You're the only person who gets to decide if you "need to make more money."
70. The only mood swings you have to deal with are your own.
71. There are a lot of lonely and violently psychopathic people out there.
72. You don't have to change your religious beliefs one bit.
73. There are 6.5 Billion other fish in the sea. That's 6,500 x 1 million. Yeah.
74. Porn is cheaper, easier, and comes in more varieties.
75. The toilet seat only moves when you move it.
76. Cohabitation is legal, fun, and less of a hassle than marriage.
77. You don't have to deal with someone else's kids all the time.
78. Divorce is pricey.
79. You don't have to deal with "compliment fishing."
80. Fewer minutes spent with a phone attached to your ear.
81. No endless nagging.
82. You never have to answer the phone "right now!"
83. You can drink what you want, where you want, and as much as you want.
84. No doubts or worries about someone sleeping around.
85. Things stay where you put them.
86. You can meditate and have your quiet time when you need it.
87. The only thing whining about not being fed is your cat.
88. You can take out the trash when you feel like it.
89. You can shower or bathe when you want, as often as you want, for as long as you want.
90. You can even leave the door open when you shower.
91. The longer you wait, the better you know yourself, instead of someone else.
92. Children learn how to treat themselves by watching how you treat yourself.
93. A bad relationship is like a lingering knife wound- it continues to ruin your whole day.
94. You can be as eccentric as you want.
95. Your car can be as dirty or unusual or artistic as you want.
96. You decide how long it takes to get ready.
97. Say goodbye to heartache, dumping, and being dumped.
98. You get your weekends for you and your projects.
99. You can be the wild friend with all the really juicy stories.
100. You can still get laid. Maybe even more often. Certainly with more variety.
101. Being single and staying single isn't selfish. It should be seen as putting your happiness first (Where it should be.)

Mirror of the Soul: On Modern Women

2010-04-10T12:03:00.001-07:00

Thread at Happy Bachelors Forum

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It is what woman does that is offensive, and not what she expects that is offensive. It is when what she does is combined with her expectation that make her so offensive.

If she wants to be a baby machine, no problem.

If she wants to be a career woman, no problem.

If she wants him to be the bread winner, no problem.

If she wants to be the bread winner, no problem.

If she wants to contribute equally, no problem.

But here are the problems:

She wants to be a career woman, but he pays for everything.

She wants kids and a career, and expects him to pay for it all.

She wants a career and expects him to be okay with no kids and her constant reminder that she doesn't need him.

She want to be able to ask him out, but never does and never pays for it.

She wants to be treated like one of the guys and like a lady and gets pissed off when he does either or both.

She always wants it her way. There is no compromise on that. That is why the proposal rate is plummeting and the divorce rate escalating, and MEN ARE GOING THEIR OWN WAY.

If you are a man and want to have a tolerable relationship with a woman you have to submit to her domination and slavery and living like a eunuch. That is why us bachelors look at today's married men like they are anathema to masculinity and masculinity's God.

Equality in a relationship is a pathetic farce. It all swings her way and treating him as an equal is not in the mix.

Fairness and equal consideration are not in her vocabulary.

Access to sex is worth submission during part of your life (and yes, the player also submits to woman), when most young men cannot help but be driven by the storm clouds of testosterone, but this is a temporary storm, and it passes and there comes a point in which you say the typical woman is just not worth all the crap and subordination she hands out.

That is when one-night stands become the priority, but a relationship is strictly off limits because she is simply too difficult and demanding and no man in his right mind would agree to be in a relationship of any significance with a woman.

I love the hardware, but the software has become unacceptably corrupt. Her attitude has become so egotistically poisoned that I have better things to do than subject myself to her oppressiveness.

Woman give a lot of lip service to equality and relationships, but reality is if they don't have it their way they will dump on you, use you, and get rid of you like yesterday's laxative.

If I ever meet a nice woman who is realistic about life and willing to meet a man half way... heck, I'd be married in a second (make that maybe 2 or 3 seconds...or maybe just live together or something). But women just are not made that way anymore, and they haven't a clue as to why men are saying NO.

And in the end, it is not our job to even care or waste time with them...women that want to find out why they are being pushed into irrelevance by the next generation of men can find out themselves, but it will mostly likely be too late...and the rest of us men will be somewhere else outside the West, creating our east-west synthesis.

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An immature man will say what women want to hear in the hopes of currying their favor. A mature man does not. A mature man stating reality is not women bashing at all, but clearly tells women the truth of the situation of relationships these days.

1) The divorce rate is over 50 percent.
2) Men overwhelmingly bear the economic burden of divorce. That is the main reason, according to the National Marriage Council of Princeton, why less men are marrying now than ever before.
3) Women DO abuse men emotionally, and according to 14 studies also commit physical abuse equal to men.
4) Women almost always aim their snide remarks below the waist.

If commenting on reality is disquieting to women, then perhaps women should behave better.

And in passing, I have never heard a woman lament that her EX took her to the cleaners financially, or that she is being given the run around for visitation rights, or that she was falsely charged with child molesting just so he could get a bigger bargaining chip.

I'm tired of the constant view that women are sacrosanct victims. They are most definitely not.

Meltdown Index

2010-04-10T11:58:00.000-07:00

Thread at Happy Bachelors Forum

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Part 4

Part 5

Meltdown Part 5

2010-04-10T11:57:00.000-07:00

http://mirrorofthesoul.blogspot.com/2006_03_01_archive.html

Am I My Sister's Keeper?

Consider the amount of women with education these days and the associated university degrees available to them - B.S.'s, M.S.'s, J.D.'s, and Ph.d's. I am sure every man knows some type of woman with one of these degrees in her respective field of work or profession. I call these women "career chicks", others might call them "professional women", whatever the terminology, the end result is the same - sooner or later - they want a husband, kids, and a family. The question I ask, is "Am I my sister's keeper?" - meaning, should I bail out a woman that desperately wants a husband, family, and kids, that has realized she has totally screwed herself out of such in the pursuit of her career, and now, desperately hopes to obtain such? Some men say "Yes", and do such - but is this correct? Is this not furthering the mythology that "women can have it all"? - when we really know that these career chicks can only have it all, only when a man decides to sacrifice his pursuit of a younger, more fertile woman without such career oriented mentally to save a woman that decided to choose the career oriented mentality to "have it all". My answer is "No" to these career chicks, let them live with their cats, toiling away at their careers without any hope of rescue - I am not my sister's keeper in this regard - let them whine, moan, complain, and die forevering chanting the mantra of "men are to blame" and "no good men left". However, I am my sister's keeper in regard to choosing a young, fertile woman that has no career aspirations other than to be a good companion to me and mother to my kids, which, of course, is what all women want - it just seems the "less educated" women realize this more quickly than the "more educated" career chicks

Here is yet another one

http://mirrorofthesoul.blogspot.com/2005_10_01_archive.html

Trifling With The Career Women

If you are in your 30's as a single male, you probably are noticing a lot of career women your age trying to find a quick husband to fulfill their breeding desires as their biological clocks are ringing at extreme decibel levels. I find this amusing myself, the "go girl" attitude they had in their twenties is coming back with a vengeance into the "breed girl" attitude with them having a very limited time to fulfill any child bearing desires - which most, if not all, women have. It is funny to see a career woman talk about her nieces and nephews as if they are her own in order to psychologically fulfill her breeding desires - pretending she actually does have children. But it is all for naught, you can see the "breed girl" attitude in these types of women as their eyes dart to and fro seeking a male whom they might devour...er...I mean breed with. I come across a lot of these women, and you might find it entertaining to trifle with them and I myself have from time to time, but be warned - only trifle with them, nothing more - leave these women to the chivalrous males that feel it is their duty to bail these career women out of their poor decision making, and realize these chivalrous males will be eventually dominated and emasculated by these career women. As for you, O Single Male, live a life you want and enjoy the freedom of not having a dominating and emasculating career woman as your master- or at least if you want children, mate with a women in her early 20's that is set on being a mother first, and if need be, will supplement the family income via a job - not a career.

Meltdown Part 4

2010-04-10T11:56:00.000-07:00

Here is yet another one

http://mirrorofthesoul.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_archive.html

The Light At The End Of The Tunnel Is A Freight Train

Alas, the final stage of the modern women- single, alone, miserable, and with cats...a lot of cats. There are no denying women here in the US are a pretty miserable bunch. Either getting wasted on booze on the weekends or just wasting away from their mundane "careers" and childless future alone with cats. Have fun girls. That's YOUR feminism at work. I had this one career chick, tell me "Well, I will find a man, and have a family, because there is always light at the end of the tunnel." I said, "Honey, the light at the end of the tunnel is a freight train." Of course, she started crying. Truth hurts. So does getting hit by the freight train of reality. Women in their 30's are really in for hard times - there feminists leaders are dying or are dead so there is no leadership around to pump them with hate for men, they have past the expiration date to have kids and family, and are stuck in mind-numbing careers. Now the younger generation of women in their 20's seems different, they tend to have this look on them as if "Oh My God, I better not a biatch lest I end up like those women in their 30's." Well, that is great and all, but these women are also in for hard times since men are on a marriage strike. This freight train of reality is going to hit another two generations of women, having already run over women in their 40's and 50's who are so delusional from the aftershock of the freight train hit, they still think they are hot and desirable.

Here is yet another one

http://mirrorofthesoul.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_archive.html

I don't think women are dimwits at all. I do think they have been sold a false bill of goods by gender feminists and the evidence of that is everywhere:

1) Record high divorce rate
2) Record low men proposing rate
3) Record number of unwed mothers
4) Record number of women living alone in mid life
5) Record number of women going to jail
6) Record number of women committing serious crimes
7) Record number of women being treated for depression
8) Record number of women are dying from behavior-related cancer.
9) Record number of women killing their children (80 percent of all children killed are kill by their mothers, not their fathers according to National Vital Statistics.)

Now you may think that's a fine track record for modern woman, I do not. I think woman should be legally equal, but I do not think she should act like a man, and THAT is the essential lie of feminism, that is if woman acts like a man her life will be instantly better. Clearly this is not so. She needs to be a fully actualized woman, not a woman trying to act like a man.

I think the end result of the feminist lie is that women are not happy at all. They are lonely and they are angry. They have only themselves to blame. My goal, is to suggest woman can be equal and feminine, a rather radical idea.

Meltdown Part 3

2010-04-10T11:55:00.002-07:00

Here is yet another one

http://mirrorofthesoul.blogspot.com/2007_02_01_archive.html

I went out during the day to get some things done, I usually go at night to do stuff or very early in the morning as to avoid the crowds, so it was quite telling to what I saw. I noticed that American women are quite angry at the world or something, from the young woman clerk at the store who found out a degree in some social science or women's studies gets you a $6.50 an hour job and about $20,000 or more in debt all the way to the old bitter woman in her 40's slaving away in Corporate America are finding life is quite miserable.

I feel the hate swelling within them...

But it's cool with me, let them be miserable, angry, and disgusted with life. They won't ruin my day, I will smile and be polite, if they take out their anger and misery about life on me with nasty looks and unprofessional conduct, then I will send a complaint to their boss or company and be quite the little pest pursuing my complaint until these angry American women are disciplined or fired. I've done it before, and I'll do it again and again. I don't get mad, I get even. They will be disciplined as brute beasts should be, until they know how to conduct themselves properly and orderly in my great and awesome presence.

Take no shit from American women. Put them on notice every time they act like absolute retards.

Here is yet another one

http://mirrorofthesoul.blogspot.com/2007_01_01_archive.html

I was at lunch with this one career chick I know pretty well from my daily business interactions. As I was looking over the menu, she started complaining about her life - no man in it, how she is getting old, wants kids, how her last boyfriend was lazy and just sponged off her, etc. During lunch, and being the ever-resourceful one, I explained to her about feminism and how it has caused a generation of men not to really give a crap about life or productivity in general, to stay at home with mom and dad, play video games, expat elsewhere, and the whole marriage/divorce sham that royally screws men over, etc., and of course, after she finally accepted my analysis of the current situation with men in American society due to the effects of feminism, she said "Well, it sucks to be me."

Yep, it sure does...and you have to pay half of the bill - no free lunches from me.

Meltdown Part 2

2010-04-10T11:55:00.001-07:00

Here is yet another one

http://mirrorofthesoul.blogspot.com/2007_04_01_archive.html

This one career chick I know, freaked out on me the other day, because I'm not interested in her, but she keeps pressing the issue with me about going out with her.

Frustrated with this situation, she said to me, "Do you want me to end up alone with a cat?" "Oh my God, you do!"

I busted out laughing.

This is not the first time I have heard a woman reference spinsterhood with a cat, but it was extremely funny watching her say it with the accompanying facial expression.

Women are becoming aware of this nightmarish scenario for them with the associated cat.

So back to this woman, she is a certified psycho and even comes with the papers attached to her head, but then again, this is normal for the modern woman to be confused, despondent, emotionally distraught, mentally unstable, etc., which only a pharmaceutical company could love.

As I was laughing uncontrollably, in frustration she said, "Why are you laughing?" and crescendoed, "This is not funny!" and then decrescendoed, "Don't you understand I want a family and children?"

This conversation was going from the ridiculous to the absurd, and I did not want to even continue it, so I replied with one of my many canned answers, "That's nice, you're a pretty girl, I know some man will find you interesting and want to have a family with you."

Acknowledging my rejection of her, she then stated I was a "mean person" and I would die alone, to which I responded, "That's nice."

If I had a dollar every time I have heard a woman I rejected tell me I was mean and would die alone, I would have an extra million dollars on hand.

The conversation finally ended in the absurd as expected with her still wanting me to consider going out with her when I grow up...oh yeah, how could we not forget that shaming grow up line...like I am wearing green tights flying around Neverland with some hot little half-naked pixie babe.

Whether she will find a sucker that she can unload on is becoming more questionable each day as men are waking up to the scam of dating, marriage, and divorce that women run, but for sure, she ain't unloading on me...and Neverland isn't looking so bad after all. I got to figure out how to do that flying...

Here is yet another one

http://mirrorofthesoul.blogspot.com/2007_03_01_archive.html

eah, whatever, according to this article I guess I am supposed to care.

"American women are struggling to cope with this lack of sleep," said a statement released by Kathryn Lee, of the National Sleep Foundation (NSF). "Women's lack of sleep affects virtually every aspect of their time-pressed lives, leaving them late for work, stressed out, too tired for sex and little time for their friends."

Time-pressed lives? Late for work? Stressed out? No time for sex? Little time for friends?

Oh, come on...American women are the most lazy and pampered females on the planet.

Business caters to them, government caters to them, the whole freaking American society is built around catering to women! And they can't get enough sleep!

It is American MEN that can't get enough sleep - working ungodly hours to support their ungrateful wives or forced to work even more ungodly hours as court ordered government wage slaves to pay ridiculously outrageous child support (sometimes for children that aren't even theirs) and/or ex-wife support via alimony (or even palimony for long term live-in girlfriends).

I am soooo glad I am single. I get plenty of sleep, don't have to worry about an American woman as a wife, do what I want when I want and how I want, and I even take naps...which have been shown to be excellent for you.

Single, well-rested, and quite content...now that is the good life.

Meltdown Part 1

2010-04-10T11:53:00.000-07:00

I am currently browsing through Mirror of the Soul's archives, looking for a few MGTOW entries which I had in mind, and I stumbled into this one.

http://mirrorofthesoul.blogspot.com/2008_09_01_archive.html

I had a career chick have a meltdown on me the other day at the office while I was spinning in my big executive chair contemplating world domination and hoping to buy Wall Street for the price of cheap cognac.

She was really quite nasty and angry at the whole world and somehow I was the target for her frustration, which I informed her boss to never let her out of his sight again because it is not my responsibility for her miserable life.

The masquerade is really over as I am starting to see. Such women can't even fake happiness or joy anymore as a manner of public decorum - and worse - they try to steal your real joy and happiness! Everybody has to be miserable like them, and they hate those that aren't. It is a matter of their own self-hatred of themselves that they project on others.

I guess it is justified as the societal engineers of the Anglosphere tried to turn them into men and against men in a power move to foster their dependency on the state, and like an experiment gone horribly wrong, these women are the living result of it.

Of course, the corollary is men have been made to operate like women, in which has only promoted confusion among them as well. The modern man is to be effeminate and docile, which adds little comfort to the modern woman as she is more masculine than he.

The Real Man (TM), being defined by the modern woman as chivalrous - meaning such a man must cater to the woman's worldview and passing whims - is a figment of her imagination, a dream of mythological proportion to be confined to romance novels which she fantasizes about during her office hours.

So with this symphony of confusion all described above, we find the root cause of the modern woman's wrath.

Men, being confused as well, accept the chivalrous man as the definition of a Real Man(TM) - since men think the woman is the default moral compass - "If woman says it, it must be right and true". Thus, we see such men with a self-masochistic endeavor to bear all this implosion and wrath from the modern woman on themselves...and they are welcome to enjoy this whirlwind of chaos from these women - while I and many others simply sit back and watch the meltdown...preferably from an undisclosed location outside the Anglosphere to avoid severe radioactive contamination.

On the other hand, everybody has a choice - men and women, in whether to follow the societal engineers' "recommendations" for a gender neutral society or not. The system can only last as long as those who believe it in.

Choices now dictate the future, and choices past dictate the present. Hence, that is where the modern woman is found, an epitome of bad choices which can't effectively be blamed on anybody or anything else - how so ever she might try.

She'll scream the cliche "No Good Men Left" or demand "commitment" and "responsibility" from men at large, but men don't care anymore, they've tuned out, dropped out, and tuned in to better things that benefit themselves.

Such modern women are best left to meltdown, completely and finally, as there is no need to get involved in something of this magnitude - as it would destroy you in the process.

Here is another one on this subject matter.

http://mirrorofthesoul.blogspot.com/2008_01_01_archive.html

I had another career chick I know have a meltdown on me this week, but at least she knew the root cause, and I quote from her nice little monologue to me:

"I hate feminism, I hate our society... look at our society...men don't know how to be men and women don't know how to be women, everybody hates everybody...it is all so messed up. I'm 35, I hate my job, I hate the people I work with, I have no boyfriend, no kids...I'm going to die old and alone."

After this monologue, she broke down crying...for a long time...like a little girl - here she is crying before me - manifesting 40+ years of feminism?, or equality? or strength? or independence?

Her failure is complete...checkmated by the reality of her situation.

Yet, not just her, but I suppose many other women are going through the same thing - the writing on the wall is here - cats, loneliness, and bitterness...not necessarily in that order either. It could get very nasty...take cover.

Then, there are women approaching their 30's, they also see the writing on the wall, but interestingly enough, are actually folding under pressure from the marriage strike - wide spread and growing each and every day.

For example, there is this other woman I know, very close to her 30's, who does not even bring up marriage with men because she already knows men will not be suckered into that anymore. She is desperate to just have a man to call her boyfriend, and the possibility to have children. The reality check is this woman is very attractive, not the usual fat cow moaning as we always hear about in the Anglosphere. It seems all the suckers have dried up. The fact that women - and all types at that - are starting to realize marriage is dead on arrival, is an interesting sort of shift I have noticed.

Now, yet even a third woman, that does hang out with me regularly - she also realizes marriage is dead on arrival with men - on one hand she does annoy me often because I have a very productive life pursuing my personal endeavors and she tends to cause the masculine experience (me) to meet the feminine temperament (her), but I'd rather just take the masculine experience, and pass on the rest of that line - but on the other hand she cooks pretty good and she is fun for sex. Indeed, those used to be the two things women were taught to keep men happy - full stomach and empty balls...it seemed to make both the man and the woman happy...obviously, feminism and its alleged drive for equality of the sexes has not.

Superbad's Red Pill

2010-04-09T20:57:00.001-07:00

Thread at Happy Bachelors Forum

Superbad's Red Pill

i am in my 40's, have no kids, and never married... and i LOVE it. i have had FANTASTIC relationships; but, in our society, they are TEMPORARY, if even for a decade. i DO NOT invest much TIME into banging chicks. if they cater to me, fine. most women are TOXIC and natural EXTORTIONISTS. most men are lemmings and marry even though it makes NO sense here. better us be an "army of one".

marriage is a contract giving a woman half your wealth, should you divorce. why would anyone sign up for THAT? for women, marriage and kids are not about love, they are about MONEY. religious? dating a whore sure beats MARRYING one. men, FORGET the past, the days of mommy baking while dad kicks the world's ass are OVER. erase them from your mind because THEY are holding us back.

we must adapt. today's women are as useful to us as an electric hair dryer is to a fish. in Asia the live-in maids cost $50/mo. two "massages" per week cost ~$240/mo. for $290 a month you could enjoy no string pleasure, companionship, relaxation, and housekeeping. NO man ever got a medal for working themselves to death for an ungreatful bitch and prized zerox copies of her bad genetics.

imagine a man saves $200k, makes $100k, marries 7 years (the average), has 2 kids, then divorces. married he spent $3500 MORE a month, loses $100k, and pays $540k in child support. it has cost him a ~MILLION dollars to screw a fat cow AND waste his time AND be subject to her insanity and nagging. if he had done the Asian scenario above his TOTAL cost would have been about $25k.

the present paradigmn no longer works and needs to be expelled from the male psyche FOREVER. young men must be informed so they can see past the illusion of marriage and behold its ugly reality. the sleeping giant called MEN must be awoken! DO NOT MARRY: MARRIAGE is the ultimate BAD BUSINESS DEAL. the new man must view GIRLFRIENDS and WIVES as what they truly are... 100% BAGGAGE!

Superbad's Marriage All for the Nookie Index

2010-04-09T20:47:00.000-07:00

Thread at Happy Bachelors Forum

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Superbad's Marriage All for the Nookie Part 10

2010-04-09T20:45:00.000-07:00

Marriage = Conditional Love
i broke up with one gal and moved 850 miles away. against other's advice she did not date, saved over a year, and followed. she learned Greek cuisine/customs and was an ideal gf. i dated her a decade. we saw marriage as conditional love. it's "i love you and might continue the charade as long as you sign away your future". there are women of quality out there. but quality, to me, is living without any future stipulations.

Marriage = Control
marriage, divorce, and prostitution laws are laws against sexuality. preposterous? think how women and government play on this pearl. Wilhelm Reich stated: "sexual suppression has the function of making man amenable to authority, just as the castration of stallions and bulls has the function of producing willing daft animals." the elite do not care about women's rights. laws were passed by a few men to control other men. marriage is a future trap... because governments intend on slowly ramping up laws until they crush men.

know what women and the devil have in common?
they both wish to force men to receive a mark on their right hand.

Superbad's Marriage All for the Nookie Part 9

2010-04-09T20:43:00.000-07:00

my cathartic thread continues...

the unknown
i was pondering after reading of Marcus Aurelius's return. i have lived two decades with women like he met. that tends to put a damper on my willingness to put up with women's bullshit. ironically, women changed, unbeknownst to me, while i dated. although i had great girlfriends i never married. why? i put my future first. i viewed my value (career, weight lifting, etc) as rising and i like having options. why buy what you can get free? here is the $50,000 question for guys wanting to marry. or should i say $500,000 question, because that's what kids and a divorce might cost.. and a token of what marriage will cost, all said and done. that question is: what will the female suppy/demand and laws be like in 20+ years? forget what is here now. many of my friends were f**ked over by thinking the woman they met and the laws governing a contract they signed were static. they are not... the world is dynamic. the horrible thing about signing a contract "for life" is that "shit happens" along the way. and it might not be her... it might be you. a guy at 20 might view himself as poor. "why not marry?" but a decade later he might start a business and make a fortune. he might come home to a nag. he might want to nail the 20 YO secretary. we know how men and women have lived in the past but it is apparent that it is likely not to be that way in the future. you may find a pretty and sweet girl today and WANT to marry her. i've been there. but give it a decade... or two. do you trust women? do you trust "The State"? i DO NOT. marriage is like signing up for the military... someone owns your ass. as far as i am concerned MARRIAGE is signing a deal with the devil.

Superbad's Marriage All for the Nookie Part 8

2010-04-09T20:42:00.001-07:00

if i told you i was going to go through school and get a job and stay at that job the rest of my life, what would you say? you're probably say i was a FRICKIN' IDIOT. because we live in a MOBILE SOCIETY where there is no job security. that's exactly what's going on with marriage. so next time you hear "i found Miss Wonder Pvssy and am going to stay with her sweaty tits the rest of my life". think... FRICKIN' IDIOT!

Superbad's Marriage All for the Nookie Part 7

2010-04-09T20:40:00.002-07:00

"I DO"
even if a married guy bangs his wife for an hour, 104 hours of sex a year is no reason to invest the other 8662 hours. women are ALWAYS terrible long-term investments. yet guys jump at the chance to MARRY. "i better hurry! this could be my last chance to pour chum all over myself and jump into that shark tank."

any man who wants a family should date a single mother (um, don't f**k her) or take care of a child in the family for a month. nobody ever talks about the TREMENDOUS stress it is to have a family. i don't care how hot or sweet or "special" a woman is now, in a decade the same thought goes through EVERY man's mind...

I'M STUCK
married men hate to admit they were duped. same with men who are dating. i used to love going to parties. it's fun to witness all the women on the verge of meltdowns that would make Chernobyl look like a good day. seeing some evil bitch storming off after being forced to act like a human being for an hour or two.

SAFE |||||||||||||..... MELTDOWN